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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Now that is tech against Jinxed Choker.
    Yes it is.

    The deadline has passed and we're at 6 entries now.
    I'm at work and it's a bit busy, so I can give you guys a few more hours before I post decks.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Here we go.

    DECKS FOR ROUND 8 OF THE BLOCK TOUR - Mirrodin block (Mirrodin, Darksteel, Fifth Dawn):

    1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, Viridian Shaman
    2. Unlif3: Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Oxidize, Tel-Jilad Chosen
    3. Wrath of Pie: Blinkmoth Nexus, Forest, Tel-Jilad Chosen, Oxidize
    4. Tylert: Swamp, Blinkmoth nexus, Blind creeper, Shattered dreams
    5. H: Mirrodin's Core, Swamp, Oxidize, Blind Creeper
    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal results for round anti-artifact:

    1. Asthereal (TO): that's me, sporting a variant of what everybody's sporting: Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, Viridian Shaman
    2. Unlif3: Shaman and Chosen will trade, Nexuses don't attack for two draws? 2-2
    3. Wrath of Pie: Shaman and Chosen will trade, Nexuses don't attack for two draws? 2-2
    4. Tylert: You too can keep the creatures back for defense for two draws. 2-2
    5. H: We can both attack for 3 max. but you get damage in earlier, so I have to keep my guys back for defense. You don't attack (or you lose) so again two draws? 2-2
    6. FTW: If I keep Shaman back, you can only attack once every two turns. I attack every turn with Nexus (flying), so I win both? 6-0

    Total: 14 points - almost a full set of draws... Not the awesomest round.
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    Oh no I'm too slow!

    I was going to send this: Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Eater of Days, Eater of Days.

    All that artifact hate really hurts but maybe I still would have won the race?

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, Viridian Shaman
    2. Unlif3: Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Oxidize, Tel-Jilad Chosen
    3. Wrath of Pie: Blinkmoth Nexus, Forest, Tel-Jilad Chosen, Oxidize
    4. Tylert: Swamp, Blinkmoth nexus, Blind creeper, Shattered dreams
    5. H: Mirrodin's Core, Swamp, Oxidize, Blind Creeper
    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor

    1. Asthereal: I don't see a way to get out of this. 2-2.
    2. Unlif3: Same problem here. You can't attack with both creatures and keep oxidize up, so if you attack I win the damage race and you have to double block + oxydize a turn later for the draw. 2-2
    3. Wrath of Pie: Draw 2-2
    4. Me
    5. Another draw. You can Oxidize my nexus and block my blind creeper. 2-2
    6. FTW: To damage me you have to attack with both, but my blind creeper makes more damage. So draw. 2-2

    Full set of draws...

    Total = 10.

    I had many more decks but I did not want to play decks that would take a hit from artifact hate...
    I did not play this deck : Swamp, Blinkmoth nexus, blind creeper, blind creeper because it was dead to big mana artifacts decks like cloudpost, cloudpost, (soul foundry, grid monitor) or (silent arbiter, eater of days). But i should have known that no one would play artifacts :)
    No one even tried An Arcbound ravager deck :)
    Another deck that wasn't too bad in my testing was triple myr servitor deck. I think it would have been decent in this meta.
    Funny to see how in 4CB, artifacts deck are crappy compared to their dominance in the block format at that time :)

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    3. Wrath of Pie: Blinkmoth Nexus, Forest, Tel-Jilad Chosen, Oxidize

    1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, Viridian Shaman DD
    2. Unlif3: Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Oxidize, Tel-Jilad Chosen DD - This was an excellent submission.
    4. Tylert: Swamp, Blinkmoth nexus, Blind creeper, Shattered dreams DD
    5. H: Mirrodin's Core, Swamp, Oxidize, Blind Creeper DD?
    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor WW

    2w6d = 12 points

    I better double check to make sure we aren't playing Backbuild, that is a lot of draws.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinSmashmaster View Post
    Oh no I'm too slow!

    I was going to send this: Cloudpost, Cloudpost, Eater of Days, Eater of Days.

    All that artifact hate really hurts but maybe I still would have won the race?
    Less than an hour, that's too bad!
    But I fear I can't add your decks anymore now.
    And yup, looks like it would race a number of decks here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    I better double check to make sure we aren't playing Backbuild, that is a lot of draws.
    Yup, looks very much like top level chess with all these draws.
    Sad round, I'm afraid. Not all blocks make for cool 4CB.
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    1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, Viridian Shaman DD
    2. Unlif3: Forest, Blinkmoth Nexus, Oxidize, Tel-Jilad Chosen (It's me !)
    3. Wrath of Pie: Blinkmoth Nexus, Forest, Tel-Jilad Chosen, Oxidize DD - This was an excellent submission.
    4. Tylert: Swamp, Blinkmoth Nexus, Blind Creeper, Shattered Dreams DD
    5. H: Mirrodin's Core, Swamp, Oxidize, Blind Creeper LL
    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor WW

    2w6d = 12 points
    Same deck, same results as Wrath of Pie. Very drawish.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor

    1. Asthereal (TO): I kill one Blinkmoth but the other kills me while I can't get damage through fast enough. LL 0-6
    2. Unlif3: I kill Blinkmoth and I thought I could race on the play, but you can stall me with Oxidize on my turn 1 guy allowing you to get the first attack for 2. LL 0-6
    3. Wrath of Pie: Same deck. LL 0-6
    4. Tylert: I kill Blinkmoth and chump Blind Creeper forever. DD 2-2
    5. H: Oxidize stops my recursion. LL 0-6

    Total: 2 points FTL

    Edit: H match
    Last edited by FTW; 09-05-2019 at 07:02 AM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    6. FTW: Forest, Oxidize, Myr Servitor, Myr Servitor
    ...

    5. H: I kill Blinkmoth and chump Blind Creeper forever. DD 2-2

    Total: 4 points FTL
    Sorry everybody, been at a funeral all day and on my phone.

    Just want to note that I don't have Blinkmoth in my deck. But on the Play, at least, can't I win, since if you have both Myrs, I can Oxidize one if you ever try to chump block?
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Just want to note that I don't have Blinkmoth in my deck. But on the Play, at least, can't I win, since if you have both Myrs, I can Oxidize one if you ever try to chump block?
    If you Oxidize my other guy (to stop the infinite recursion), I Oxidize the same one in response. Storm = 2, Blind Creeper = 1/1, so it trades with my chumper and we draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    If you Oxidize my other guy (to stop the infinite recursion), I Oxidize the same one in response. Storm = 2, Blind Creeper = 1/1, so it trades with my chumper and we draw.
    What about waiting until postcombat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    What about waiting until postcombat?
    Same result. 3/3 kills 1/1, taking 1 damage. Postcombat he casts Oxidize, I respond with Oxidize, and the Creeper shrinks to a 1/1 with 1 damage on it, dying.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Same result. 3/3 kills 1/1, taking 1 damage. Postcombat he casts Oxidize, I respond with Oxidize, and the Creeper shrinks to a 1/1 with 1 damage on it, dying.
    And doing it at the next upkeep? The wording on myr servitor is a "if". so the ability goes on the stack, you kill the myr servitor and the other one does not come back.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    And doing it at the next upkeep? The wording on myr servitor is a "if". so the ability goes on the stack, you kill the myr servitor and the other one does not come back.
    Ugh, conditional trigger or conditional resolving of the trigger. I never know how this works. So let's look it up.

    Rulings, according to the Gatherer:
    "The Myr Servitor that’s the source of the triggered ability must still be on the battlefield when the ability resolves. If it is, all other Myr Servitor cards are returned from all graveyards to the battlefield under their owner’s control. If it’s not, no Myr Servitors are returned to the battlefield."

    So indeed, the Myrs fail to return if you kill the last one in response to the trigger.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Ugh, conditional trigger or conditional resolving of the trigger. I never know how this works. So let's look it up.

    Rulings, according to the Gatherer:
    "The Myr Servitor that’s the source of the triggered ability must still be on the battlefield when the ability resolves. If it is, all other Myr Servitor cards are returned from all graveyards to the battlefield under their owner’s control. If it’s not, no Myr Servitors are returned to the battlefield."

    So indeed, the Myrs fail to return if you kill the last one in response to the trigger.
    The wording is pretty clear with the "IF". if there is a IF in the text, this is checked at resolution. If there is no IF, it reolves wether or not the creature is still here (Except if there is an exchange going on in the process like for tree of perdition)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Thanks guys, so it looks like draws vs. everyone, except FTW, for me, so 14?
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Thanks guys, so it looks like draws vs. everyone, except FTW, for me, so 14?
    If that's correct, I can do the standings off the top of my head.

    1. Asthereal (14p, 2.8sp)
    1. Unlif3 (14p, 2.8sp)
    1. Wrath of Pie (14p, 2.8sp)
    1. H (14p, 2.8sp)
    5. Tylert (10p, 2.0sp)
    6. FTW (2p, 0.4sp)

    Note: Wrath (and so Unlif3 also) had noted the games against H as two losses at first, but two draws now.
    I think the draws are correct:
    Wrath (and Unlif3) can wait for H to attack with Creeper and go:
    Tap Nexus to activate Nexus. Tap Forest, cast Oxidize on Nexus (Creeper gets -1/-1 and is now 2/2). Then block with Chosen. Both die, and it's a draw.
    I don't see better lines for either. Does everyone agree this is optimal play for both parties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    I don't see better lines for either. Does everyone agree this is optimal play for both parties?
    Yeah, that is how I saw it as well. Not sure how they surmised loses there.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Yeah, that is how I saw it as well. Not sure how they surmised loses there.
    It's not the most obvious line ever, so I can imagine overlooking it at first.

    Cool, so the above is correct, giving us the boringest standings we've had so far. Better luck next round!
    I'll try to conjure up a deck today. I'll let you guys know as soon as I have sent myself my deck.

    EDIT: Season standings do change. Wrath takes third place by just 0.1 season point.
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