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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    4 of that red chancellor that makes a token or whatever it's called.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    I used to play a lot of 3 card blind on the old mana drain forums 10+ years ago. Didn't ever play 4CB. I'm down for doing this.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Excellent suggestions, everybody!
    I've added a few cards to the temporary banning list.

    The creativity in the decks posted so far is promising.
    Looks like there's quite some interest in this, so I'd like to get this going. But first, how would we like to continue?

    Let's vote:
    A: We could discuss for a few more days and try to decide on a decent banning list.
    B: We could do a "bannathon" where all cards are legal at the start, but all cards in all decks that won points for the round get banned next rounds.


    Pros to A: We get more balanced games, which should be more fun in the long run.
    Cons to A: If we mess up the bannings, we still end up with overpowered crap and may have to intervene halfway. (I am okay with this.)

    Pros to B: We get to play all the insane stuff.
    Cons to B: We have to deal with all the insane stuff. (I mean: as mentioned, 10 people sporting turn 0 Burning Inquiry.dec is kind of stupid, right?)

    I personally lean somewhat to option A. What are your thoughts?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    Does the four card thing allow multiples of the same card, or does it have to be 4 separate cards?
    Yes, all normal rules apply, so you can play up to four of every card. The mentioned 4x Chancellor of the Forge deck is legal (unless we ban that damn thing).
    Last edited by Asthereal; 02-13-2019 at 07:15 AM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Some things just should be banned, like Ghost Quarter.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    if there are not discard are those decks legal:

    Bog peat
    Putrid imp
    Reanimate
    A Big Boy: Blazing Archon, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Griselbrand, Iona, Shield of Emeria, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, Ashen Rider, Inkwell Leviathan.

    or

    Bog peat
    Putrid imp
    unearth
    True skill nemesis

    or
    Crystal vein
    Hickory Woodlot
    Eureka
    a big boy.... or Wurm Machine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsu View Post
    if there are not discard are those decks legal:

    Bog peat
    Putrid imp
    Reanimate
    A Big Boy: Blazing Archon, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Griselbrand, Iona, Shield of Emeria, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, Ashen Rider, Inkwell Leviathan.

    or

    Bog peat
    Putrid imp
    unearth
    True skill nemesis

    or
    Crystal vein
    Hickory Woodlot
    Eureka
    a big boy.... or Wurm Machine
    So far, yes. We could ban Reanimate, but I think Eureka should be okay, as it costs you your entire game plan, and it only works from turn 2 on.
    The Eureka deck draws against my Heavyweights deck, it loses to anything that causes you to discard a card and anything that manages to destroy/bounce your dude.
    For instance, the Eureka deck gets absolutely trashed by these simple four: Chancellor of the Tangle, Gemstone Mine, Ravenous Rats, Path to Exile

    EDIT: Actually, it doesn't. Eureka wins because you discard Emrakul, redraw it and then cast Eureka.
    It does lose to anything sporting Oblivion Ring though, like: Remote Farm, City of Traitors, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Oblivion Ring
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Isn't Shelldock Isle just completely busted in this format? I didn't see it in any of the banlists, but I think it might have to be. It seems like even without Emrakul you could play something like Platinum Empirion or even Platinum Angel.

    Shelldock Isle
    Island
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    Stubborn Denial

    Shelldock Isle
    Tundra
    Platinum Angel
    Swords to Plowshares


    Wasn't there a format with 5-card blind called Doomsday or something like that? EDIT: The difference was the deck was shuffled and you started with zero cards in hand, so totally different concept I think.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Isn't Shelldock Isle just completely busted in this format? I didn't see it in any of the banlists, but I think it might have to be. It seems like even without Emrakul you could play something like Platinum Empirion or even Platinum Angel.

    Shelldock Isle
    Island
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    Stubborn Denial

    Shelldock Isle
    Tundra
    Platinum Angel
    Swords to Plowshares
    How do you get the creature in your library?
    Note: we start every game with all cards in our hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    How do you get the creature in your library?
    Note: we start every game with all cards in our hand.
    Well that's awkward, I didn't realize it started in hand, lol. DOH! Reading fail again.


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    Shelldock Isle
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Well that's awkward, I didn't realize it started in hand, lol. DOH! Reading fail again. It just went from broken to unplayable, lol. I don't think there is a 1-mana card that puts a card on top of your library.
    No problem.

    If you find a good way to dump the creature in your library (in case of Emry, graveyard also works), Shelldock Isle might be too good.
    It's definitely a card to watch. All cards that do crazy stuff for not so much mana can be absolutely busted.

    EDIT:
    This would turn into this:
    T1: Island, cast Brainstorm, put in library Emrakul and on top of that Shelldock Isle.
    T2: draw Isle, play Isle, exile Emrakul
    T3: untap, use Isle to cast Emrakul, take extra turn.
    T3-2: ATTACK!

    So this loses to anything that stops Emrakul, destroys/hoses Shelldock or stops Brainstorm itself.
    So it loses to my Heavyweights deck that can cast Aftershock on turn 2.
    (Yes, I use that deck as example, as it is good, but not insanely overpowered.)

    Note: I do need to play a tad precisely to win. If I cast Heavyweights when you sandbag the Brainstorm, I'm in trouble.
    I have to Aftershock the Island first, so your deck doesn't function anymore. If you cast Brainstorm in response, I have to wait a few turns and only after you draw all the cards I cast Heavyweights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    No problem.

    If you find a good way to dump the creature in your library (in case of Emry, graveyard also works), Shelldock Isle might be too good.
    It's definitely a card to watch. All cards that do crazy stuff for not so much mana can be absolutely busted.
    Brainstorm does it, but if there isn't a draw per turn Brainstorm doesn't work. Have to put both Shelldock and Emrakul back on top of library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Brainstorm does it, but if there isn't a draw per turn Brainstorm doesn't work. Have to put both Shelldock and Emrakul back on top of library.
    Actually, the Shelldock Isle deck also loses to the only turn 2 combo deck I know.
    I won't spoil it, as I might be using it later. It's just too much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Actually, the Shelldock Isle deck also loses to the only turn 2 combo deck I know.
    I won't spoil it, as I might be using it later. It's just too much fun.
    Thinking about it, this is stronger:

    Island
    Brainstorm
    Shelldock Isle
    Ashen Rider
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Some D&T

    Plains
    Rishadan port
    Thalia
    E/S spirit guide

    Or

    Plains
    2x E/S spirit Guide
    Big Thalia

    Or

    Mishra's factory
    Thorn of amethyst
    E/S spririt guide
    Rishadan port

    E-Stompy

    Eye of ugin
    3x Endless one

    White Weenie:

    Plains
    Rishadan port
    Cloudreach Cavalry
    War Falcon

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    EDIT: *Super secret tech*
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Infect anyone:

    Forest
    G-Elf
    Berserk
    Invigorate

    or Bogles:

    Savannah
    Bogle
    Gryffs boon
    Ethereal armor or any cool Enchant crit.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Thinking about it, this is stronger:

    Island
    Brainstorm
    Shelldock Isle
    Ashen Rider
    Rider dies to removal, so I don't know.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    I've already posted a ton of stuff, do I just need to pick one? If I need to pick one it would be the Ensnaring Bridge list. Wins on the play, draws on the draw against anything combat related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I've already posted a ton of stuff, do I just need to pick one? If I need to pick one it would be the Ensnaring Bridge list. Wins on the play, draws on the draw against anything combat related.
    If we start, I post a deadline and then people can PM me their decks.
    It doesn't work if you post publicly, because others will find a deck that beats what you posted.

    So far, I have had one response to my question about whether people prefer to work with a banned list or do a banathon.
    I am a tad in favor of a banned list, so we're at 2x banned list, 0x banathon.

    If we go for a seaon with a banned list, I can use some feedback on the list.
    Looking at where we are now, I think it still needs a few additions.
    Maybe Rishadan Port, Thought-Knot Seer, stuff like that. It's pretty hard.
    Or I could just make a few educated guesses, and we play a season of, say, ten rounds and afterwards decide upon an improved ban list.

    All fine by me, but feedback helps more than posting cool decks. Save your decks for the real thing!

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