Originally Posted by Asthereal
Nice Ghost quarter round :)
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
Ahah... i just realized Gravecrawler can't block :) this is not going to be funny :)
1. Asthereal (TO): OTP / OTD: I think it's a draw. We both can only play 1 threat before getting "ghost quartered". I can't attack because of YoungWolf undying keyword. You can't attack because i would race you. 2-2 --> 2
2. Square_two: OTP / OTD: You win both i think because you can play both threats and at some point overwhelm me with mayor's wolves. 0-6 --> 2
3. H: Gravecrawler can't block and you can just play noble, ghost quarter my swamp and race me. 0-6 --> 2
4. Unlif3: No removal.can't win. You will GQ my swamp and block my gravecrawler forever. 0-6 --> 2
5. Wrath of Pie: OTP: I can attack first, so you will block and it's a draw. OTD: I still attack first, so it's also a draw. 2-2 --> 4
6. Me.
7: FTW: You win both because Reckless waif is bigger than gravecrawler and you will race me. 0-6 --> 4
8: GoblinSmashmaster: same as square_two. You can cast mayor. I haven't done the exact math, but you can probably stay alive until mayor is big and wolves are popping everywhere. 0-6 --> 4
Total 4.
Too bad this is a block with Ghost quarter... Land destruction is still too oppressive.
And i should stop trying to get a good deck at 1 in the morning :)
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
1. Asthereal (TO): OTP I play Mountain & Waif. If you don't GQ me, I GQ whichever land you play keeping you off Mayor anyway. You GQ my Mountain. Waif flips and hits you for 3. You play Wolf. I GQ your Forest. You can't race but you can block and trade, so we draw.
OTD if you lead with GQ first, I GQ it, then Pillar + Waif beats Wolf so I'd win. Instead you play Forest & Wolf. I GQ the Forest. You attack me for 1. I play Mountain. I can either Pillar the Wolf or play Waif. Either way we trade, you GQ my land, and we draw.
DD 2-2
2. square_two: Same as Asthereal except Waif beats Pilgrim so I win both. You can't cast Mayor without the Forest, so I can keep you off it. WW 6-0
3. H: I can force draws. GQ your Mountain and Pillar the 1 creature you play before you GQ me. DD 2-2.
4. Unlif3: OTP I race you. OTD you're fast enough by 1 turn. WL 3-3.
5. Wrath of Pie: We GQ each other's mana. Waif/Pillar trades with Ghoul. DD 2-2.
6. Tylert: We GQ each other's mana, but 3/2 Waif outraces 2/1 Gravecrawler and you can't block. WW 6-0
8. GoblinSmashmaster: You're the only one I can't stop from casting Mayor, but I can Pillar it. Then 3/2 Waif beats Pilgrim. WW 6-0
27 points (7 wins, 6 draws, 1 loss)
I really wanted to play the Gravecrawler deck, either with Bone Splinters or a 3rd zombie, until I realized GQ stops it cold.
Details on FTW vs Phyrexian Unlife:
Me - Mountain. Waif.
You - Island. (If you GQ my Mountain, I GQ your 1st Island and you never play a creature)
Me - Waif flips. GQ your Island. Attack [17]
You - Island
Me - Attack [14]
You - GQ. Test Subject.
Me - Attack [11] (0/3 can't block me)
You - 1 counter
Me - Attack [8]
You - 2 counters
Me - Attack [5]
You - 3 counters
Me - Attack [2]. Pillar you. [0]
OTD
You - Island
Me - Mountain, Waif
You - Island. Test Subject.
Me - GQ your Island. Attack for 1. If you block, I Pillar it and you lose, so you take it [19].
You - GQ. 1 counter.
Me - Waif is 3/2 by now. Attack [16]
You - 2 counters
Me - Attack [13]
You - 3 counters
Me - Attack [10]
You - 4 counters
Me - Attack [7]
You - 5 counters. 13/13. Attack me to 7.
Me - Attack & Pillar you. [2]
You - Kill me.
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
See Asthereal's post for correction. 2-2
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
See above. 0-6
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
See H's calculations, I actually lose this OTD 3-3
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
That's me, and I don't like Mayor of Avabruck.
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
The clock is way to slow there. 6-0
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
Not only Gravecrawler can't block, but even if it could, this still wouldn't be enough. 6-0
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
See FTW's calculations above. 3-3
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
See above. 0-6
Total points : 20.
Last edited by Unlif3; 10-30-2019 at 12:13 PM.
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck DD
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck LL
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble DL
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject LL
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler WD
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif DD
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck LL
1w7d = 10 points
That did not go well.
Last edited by Wrath of Pie; 10-30-2019 at 06:23 PM.
H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
On the Play, I'd lead on Mountain into Noble, no reason not to. If Asthereal plays GQ, he won't be able to play Mayor (since he either GQ's me, or I him), he also will be too late with Young Wolf to be able to profitably block Noble. So, Forest into Wolf is all that makes sense. Then, I GQ Forest (Mayor is no longer an option now), Devil the Wolf and it's 2 power vs 2 power on board, but mine grows. If I attack, I lose, if he attack, he loses. So, it's a draw.
On the Draw, again, if he doesn't lead on Forest into Wolf, there is no real profitable line to GQ and pass. Since then I will just GQ his GQ, Mayor is still not an option, and we are right back to the same place as when I was on the Play.
So, looks like double draws? 2-2
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
On the Play, I lead Mountain into Noble, again, no reason not to. If he GQ's me, I will have GQ for his Forest, which can only cast Pilgrim before I get to tag it, one way or the other. Pilgrim can't block Noble, so I'd win.
On the Draw, if Square leads on Forest into Pilgrim, I GQ Forest and Mayor is uncastable. Then I can Noble and win. If Square leads GQ, I can GQ the GQ, he can only play Forest into Pilgrim, which then I can Forge Devil. If he doesn't, he still loses.
So, two wins? 6-0
3. H: Bye, myself.
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
OK, this one needs some real "race" math.
On the Play:
H: Mountain, Noble.
U: Island, pass. (FTW points out why GQ here would just make Unlif3 lose.)
H: GQ U's Island, Noble attacks, is a 2/2, pass. Forge Devil, hit myself and the now 2/2 Noble, because it won't ever matter vs. Subject. [U: 19, H: 19] (If I GQ Island, Unif3 can delay the Test Subject. If I don't, U will have two mana, cast Subject. I can't actually keep him from ever have 2 mana, so better to just delay it.)
U: Island or GQ, pass.
H: Noble and Devil attack, Noble now a 3/3. [U: 16]
U: Last land, Test Subject.
H: Noble and Devil attack, U can't block Noble, it's a 3/3 so just block Devil. Noble now a 4/4. [U: 13]
U: Counter 1 on Subject.
H: Devil attacks are useless, Noble attacks, now a 5/5. [U=9]
U: Counter 2 on Subject.
H: Noble attacks, now a 6/6. [U=4]
U: Counter 3 on Subject.
H: Noble attacks for the win.
On the Draw:
U: Island, go. [Again, if Unlif3 ever GQ's me, he will lose, because I will GQ back. There isn't a way for me to be GQed without being able to GQ back.]
H: Mountain, Noble. [I can't really play the delay game here, since it gets me nowhere.]
U: Island, Subject.
H: GQ, but I can't do anything, since Noble won't ever grow and will be blocked forever.
So, should be a win and a loss: 3-3
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
If I lead Mountain, Noble, Wrath must lead Swamp, Ghoul, or else Noble will be a 3/3 before he can block. Turn 1 Ghoul means that on my turn 2, Noble will become a 2/2, I can GQ Swamp and Forge Devil for a body. Now, the second Ghoul is uncastable. One Ghoul can't race. I can attack with a 2/2 Noble and force the trade, then win with the Devil.
On the Draw, things turn out kind of the same, if Wrath leads with Swamp, he only gets one Ghoul. If he leads with GQ, I lead Mountain into Noble. He can then GQ me and play Swamp and Ghoul. I GQ back, swing in with Noble (Ghoul is tapped), becomes a 2/2. Forge Devil is uncastable, but one Ghoul can't race, so it would be a draw.
4-1, I think.
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
Tyer already pointed out how 'crawler isn't great here. 6-0
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
AS FTW pointed out, this is a set of draws. 2-2
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
On the play:
H: Mountain, Noble.
G: Forest Or Cavern, Pilgrim. [I can't see a draw or win line with not playing a Land, or a Creature.]
H: Devil the Pilgrim, Noble attack becomes a 2/2, GQ land. Mayor is uncastable.
On the Draw:
G: Forest/Cavern, Pilgrim.
H: Mountain, Noble.
G: Other Land, Mayor. [Even if you don't cast Mayor, Pilgrim can't block Noble, so waiting just loses.]
H: GQ, Devil the Mayor. Noble races Pilgrim.
6-0
29? No way, I must have done this math wrong, someone correct me please.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
See my post above, I might have made a mistake, but I don't know where. I think I win on the Play though.
I might have done a bad quick analysis, but I thought I could win on the Play.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Asthereal results for round "well, someone didn't play Ghost Quarter":
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
That's me. Predictable deck is predictable. Let's hope my support card Young Wolf does some work.
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
Pilgrim doesn't make green mana, which is a factor. OTP Forest>Wolf and I win the race. OTD Forest>Pilgrim, I have to GQ Forest. You attack, I cast Wolf and then we draw. 4-1
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
Both OTP and OTD you get Noble, and I have to keep Wolf back to block it. Two draws, I think. 2-2
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
EDIT: I think we actually draw twice. See below. I considered going for 3 lands as well, but decided against it in case of removal. May have been a bad call. 2-2
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
You get one Ghoul, which trades with my Undying Wolf after it has died once. 2-2
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
You get one Crawler, which trades with my Undying Wolf after it has died once, since you won't be able to recast it (no mana). 2-2
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
Waif trades with the Undying Wolf. We have to kill eachother's land asap, as I can't let you Pillar and you can't let me Mayor. 2-2
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
We both get Mayor. I guess this draws, but I'm not 100% sure. What do you recon? For now: 2-2
Total: 16 points. Tough round.
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I think you're right on both. I was pretty sure RDW was the way to do better than GQ mirror draws, but you found the better version!
Honestly, it was a "lucky guess" because I made the deck at first, forgetting that GQ was in the set, despite knowing that it was.
Then, when I remembered GQ was in, I did some quick, off the cuff, hypothetical "math" as to if it could beat Mayor. By then I was tired of thinking about it and just submitted it...
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
If you Ghost Quarter one land, I won't be able to cast Mayor anymore, so I thought I might lose this.
But on second thought, there's a thingy:
I could play nothing and wait for you.
If you play an Island, I'll play GQ and wait.
If you don't GQ my GQ, I get to cast Mayor and run away with it.
If you do GQ my GQ, I'll respond by GQing your Island and you won't be able to tick up the Subject anymore, as you'll be down to just one land.
So I actually think we draw our games.
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square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
Either way you keep me off mana for Mayor, and your Wolf beats my Pilgrim on the draw. On play, I can get out Pilgrim and get an attack in and then stalemate.
1 pt
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
OTP I lead with GQ, you blow up, then you run away with those two. If I lead with Forest -> Pilgrim, then you GQ forest and same thing.
OTD looks pretty similar, except you get out Noble, then can take away my Pilgrim and Forest subsequently.
0 pt
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
Mayor flipping does the job on draw or play.
OTP
Me: GQ
You: GQ
Me: Forest, Mayor
You: Island, Ludevic
Me: Pilgrim, pass
You: Island and counter (c1)
Me: flips on upkeep, attack (you 17), endstep get 3/3
You: counter (c2)
Me: attack with 2 3/3's (you 11)
Yeah...5 counters takes too long either way.
6 pt
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
Either way, I lead out with GQ first and am able to land Mayor.
6 pt
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
Either way I play out GQ first and then can Mayor either way.
6 pt
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
Waif gets bigger, and you keep me off Mayor.
0 pt
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
OTP Either way you have a backup land for Mayor...so we just play out our dudes.
Me: Pilgrim
You: Pilgrim
Me: Mayor
You: Mayor
Me: so...yours actually flips first and you get the first 3/3 :/
Basically whoever plays out Mayor first does not get the first token since the other play can control the timing. So what if we both don't play out Mayor?
Me: Pilgrim
You: Pilgrim
Me: attack...If you block, then your Pilgrim dies, I can GQ your land and we draw. If you don't block then you are at 19 and losing that race...
So I'm thinking OTP we draw.
OTD does anything change?
You: Land, Pilgrim
Me: Forest, Pilgrim
You: attack, I block, then you have both lands but again, don't want to start out with Mayor and losing the Pilgrim means drawing to GQ.
I think OTD we also draw, assuming(!) that whoever gets a token from Mayor first wins. But some confirmation would help :)
2 pt
So that is...21 pts? These are surprisingly tough to puzzle out. Correct me if I've made mistakes!
Also, I seriously thought that Appetite for Brains said less than 4 cmc at first, and that threw me for a crazy loop until I realized otherwise.
MayorSmashmaster Results for Round "Ghost Quarter"
1. Asthereal (TO): Forest, Ghost Quarter, Young Wolf, Mayor of Avabruck
Mayor stalemate 2-2
2. square_two: Ghost Quarter, Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
Mayor stalemate 2-2
3. H: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Forge Devil, Stromkirk Noble
Forge Devil kills Mayor 0-6
4. Unlif3: Island, Island, Ghost Quarter, Ludevic's Test Subject
Mayor wins 6-0
5. Wrath of Pie: Swamp, Ghost Quarter, Diregraf Ghoul, Diregraf Ghoul
Mayor wins 6-0
6. Tylert: Ghost quarter, Cavern of souls, Gravecrawler, Gravecrawler
Mayor wins 6-0
7. FTW: Mountain, Ghost Quarter, Pillar of Flame, Reckless Waif
Pillar kills Mayor 0-6
8. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Cavern of Souls, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Mayor of Avabruck
That's me!
22 pts
You win OTP! Gravecrawler can't block. Ghoul gets in first to win the race.
W - Tapped Ghoul
T - If he plays Gravecrawler, you play a 2nd Ghoul and GQ the Caverns easily winning, so he GQs your Swamp first.
W - Attack for 2 [T=18]
T - Gravecrawler
W - GQ the Caverns. Attack [T=16]
OTD
T - Gravecrawler
W - GQ the Caverns.
T - Attack for 2 [W=18]
W - Tapped Ghoul
T - GQ the swamp. Attack [W=16]
W - You can't race but you can block and trade to draw.
WD for you
Edit: Also you should have DL against H. See H's calculations.
I'm thrown in a crazy loop every round... But i Usually don't realize :) However i'm still having fun, so don't worry too much.Also, I seriously thought that Appetite for Brains said less than 4 cmc at first, and that threw me for a crazy loop until I realized otherwise.
This round, I forgot that Gravecrawler couldn't block.
Last round I believe Myr superion was castable with the help of Chancellor of the tangle...
Last round of last season i played a 1 touhgness flyer, because it seemed like the best thing to do, in an environment with bitterblossom :)
etc... etc...
Ah, that's interesting, didn't think about that line.
It does change our outcome but unfortunately for me... not the other Mayor matches for they have a dork in Pilgrim.
@H: I have overlooked the fact that Noble could get two counters on it before LTS hits the board OTD for me. You're right, that's 3-3.
Preliminary scores for round 4 (Innistrad block)
Rank. Player: Score - SP:
1. H: 29 - 4,1
2. FTW: 27 - 3,9
3. GoblinSmashmaster: 22 - 3,1
4. square_two: 21 - 3
5. Unlif3: 20 - 2,9
6. Asthereal (TO): 16 - 2,3
7. Wrath of Pie: 9 - 1,3
8. Tylert: 3 - 0,4
So square_two makes a strong entrance with a top-4 placing. Nicely done!
In the season ranking, these results lead to H jumping to fourth place, while FTW and Unlif3 consolidate their places at the top.
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If it wasn't a Ghost Quarter block, someone would have just played
Cavern of Souls, Island, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Laboratory Maniac
GQ kept them down to fairer 2cc threats like infinite wolves and 13/13 tramples.
Without GQ, I guess removal would have been mandatory :)
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