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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    About 24 hours until the deadline, and we're at 4 entries. Don't miss out!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Deadline has passed, but I'm rather busy at work so I probably won't be able to post decks for a while.
    Also, I'm missing a submission from one of the regulars, so that particular regular can still send a deck if he (or she) is quick enough.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    DECKS FOR ROUND 7 OF THE BLOCK TOUR Part 2: Theros Block (Theros, Born of the Gods, Journey into Nyx)

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero
    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon
    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen
    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion
    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays
    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus

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    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen

    1. Asthereal (TO): OTP I TS your Hero, you TS a snake, and the other 2 trade. OTD basically the same thing. DD 2-2
    2. square_two: I TS one Soldier and my snakes trade with the other 2. DD 2-2
    4. Tylert: You found the meta deck. I can TS one, but your other 2 Pegasi fly over my snakes to win the race. LL 0-6
    5. Wrath of Pie: OTP or OTD I TS one Lion and play 2 snakes. I attack with 1 and leave the other on defense, so your Lion never gets through. WW 6-0
    6. H: Same as Asthereal. TS one hero, get TS back, and trade a snake with your 2/1. DD 2-2
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP I TS your Triton, but your Oppress my 2 snakes. OTD you play Triton first [G=19]. I play a snake. You Oppress it and attack [G=18; F=19]. I TS you, and you attack back [G=18; F=16]. By the time I play snake #2 I'm too far behind to race you. DL 1-4
    8. Unlif3: Same as Tylert. LL 0-6

    13 points (2 wins, 7 draws)

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    H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero
    I am pretty sure we just double draw, since whatever one person does, the other can too and we'll just stalemate with trading threats. 2-2

    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon
    I actually can't win a race, but I can just always force draws. 2-2

    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen
    Same as with Asthereal, I don't think there is a way for either of us to force a win. 2-2

    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    Here is where it gets somewhat interesting. Lets see:

    H: Swamp, Hero. (I don't TS here because I'd lose tempo and it literally changes nothing.)
    Tylert: Plains, Pegasus.

    H: Attack with Hero, Pegasus can't block. Play second Hero. [T=18]
    Tylert: Cast a Pegasus, other can't attack.

    H: Here is where it gets "interesting." If I attack with both Heros, you could trade both and we'd draw, since the last Pegasus would either get Seized or doesn't do anything anyway. But, I'd rather win, if i can. So, I attack with only one Hero. Because they have to both block, or not at all, I'd kill both, so Tylert can't block or else it's a loss. I'd Thoughtseize the last Pegasus though. [T=16, H=18]
    Tylert: Now, it's 4 power vs. 4 power, but Tylert loses the race, because if both creatures stay back to block, I can win by single attacking, or if they attack, I swing back with 4 power. 16/4 is 4, while 18/4 is 5 turns.

    Now, on the draw:

    Tylert: Plains, Pegasus.
    H: Swamp, Hero. (Again, TS is bad for tempo.)

    Tylert: Pegasus, can't attack yet though.
    H: Now, I have to TS, take the last Pegasus. I attack, again, because it would have to be a double block and that would lose Tylert the game if he did. [T=18, H=18]

    Tylert: So, here I can't win this race, since my second Hero isn't even down yet.

    Looks like 3-3 to me, unless I screwed this up.

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion
    I think this is another double draw, since I don't see how Wrath can push through and force a win, and I know I can't. 2-2

    6. H: Bye, myself.

    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays
    I don't see how this is anything but a double draw, since it breaks down to a 1/1 vs a 2/1, or no threat vs. two that can't attack. 2-2

    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    Should be the same as above. 3-3

    16?
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Asthereal results for round "oh crap, Thoughtseize..."

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero
    That's me, sporting Seize plus land and two random black cards.
    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon
    I guess we trade resources for the draws. 2-2
    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen
    I guess we trade resources for the draws. 2-2
    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    I guess you fly and are faster. 0-6
    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion
    Seize one Lion, the other one lands and if I attack with my deathtouch guy, your Lion swings on the following turn, which isn't helpful for me. So I guess we draw? 2-2
    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero
    More trades. 2-2
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays
    I think our match plays out the same as yours versus FTW. 1-4
    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    I guess you fly and are faster. 0-6

    Total: 9 points
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    GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Thoughtseize"

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero
    Triton races 4-1

    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon
    Triton can't race a 2/1 2-2

    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen
    Triton races 4-1

    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    Pegasus can't attack alone 6-0

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion
    Only 2 threats. 6-0

    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero
    Triton can't race a 2/1 2-2

    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays
    That's me!

    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    Pegasus can't attack alone 6-0

    Total points: 30

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    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon

    Ah, an easy round for calculating :)

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero

    DD

    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen

    DD

    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus

    OTP
    S: 2/1
    T: 2/1

    S: 2/1, attack T18
    T: 2/1

    S: 3rd 2/1, attack with 2 of them...you can't afford to block either one or both, T14

    and I'm ahead on this race...

    Basically OTP I can always attack with 1 less guy and you can't afford blocks since you can't be left with only a single dude.

    OTD?
    T: 2/1
    S: 2/1

    T: 2nd 2/1
    S: 2nd 2/1, attack with the first..if you block then it's a 2-for-1, so you can't T18

    T: 3rd 2/1, attack with 2 of them? S16
    S: 3rd 2/1, attack with all 3 T12

    and again I'm ahead. If you hold back all 3 flyers for equal blocking in an attempt to draw, then in response I'll just attack with 2 guys instead of all 3 of mine.

    EDIT doh
    WL

    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion

    WW I can have one of my guys attacking while the other two are blocking.

    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero

    DD

    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays

    DD

    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus

    WL

    Points: 20
    Last edited by square_two; 11-21-2019 at 10:25 AM.

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    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero DD
    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon LL - Funny how the protection clause was relevant.
    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen LL
    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus WL
    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero DD
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays LL
    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus WL

    2w4d = 10 points

    I need to stop playing Watchwolf variants.

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    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Tormented Hero
    2. square_two: Plains, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon, Soldier of the Pantheon
    3. FTW: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Pharika's Chosen, Pharika's Chosen
    4. Tylert: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus
    5. Wrath of Pie: Plains, Forest, Fleecemane Lion, Fleecemane Lion
    6. H: Swamp, Thoughtseize, Tormented Hero, Tormented Hero
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: Mana Confluence, Triton Shorestalker, Oppressive Rays, Oppressive Rays
    8. Unlif3: Plains, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus, Loyal Pegasus

    1. Asthereal (TO): I do more damage, faster. 6-0 --> 6
    2. square_two: OTP: T1 = Plains, pegasus. Plains, soldier
    T2 = Plains pegasus. Plains, attack (M18), soldier
    T3 = Plains pegasus attack (Y16). plains soldier attack Y(M14)
    T4 = attack (Y10). attack (M8)
    T5 = attack (Y4). attack (M2)
    T5 = Win.
    OTD: I can't win the race, and you just have to attack with 2 soldiers if i decide to def. 3-3 --> 9
    3. FTW: I do more damage faster. 6-0 --> 15
    4. ME.
    5. Wrath of Pie: OTP, i attack first and win. OTD: You are one turn faster. 3-3 --> 18
    6. H: your analysis is good. 3-3 --> 21
    7. GoblinSmashmaster: You have two removals. it wrecks me. 0-6 --> 21
    8. Unlif3: Draw i guess. we have the same constraints, we can def, block and then no one can win. 2-2 --> 23

    Total 23.

    This was an interresting round.
    Congrats to GoblinSmashmaster who found the best deck :)
    It was not an obvious one as using mana confluence costs life points. Luckily, thoughtseize does cost life too :)
    I had all other decks except the triple soldier of the pantheon, which i dismissed because fleecemane lion was bigger... i forgot about the protection.
    I knew i would win vs TS + pharika's choosen. I thought lion would not be played as it looses to pharika's choosen.

    @square_two: You assumed that soldier of the pantheon has haste on turn 3... These 2 additional points of damage which are not done in fact makes you loose the race. same result vs unlif therefore.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Your math against Square_two looks right. You both have 3 2/1s, it makes sense you trade games 3-3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    Congrats to GoblinSmashmaster who found the best deck :)
    It was not an obvious one as using mana confluence costs life points. Luckily, thoughtseize does cost life too :)
    Yeah that was not obvious at all, but it seems smart. It got him an extra win vs me and Asthereal instead of 2 draws.

    If he played Plains and a white creature, it wouldn't have evasion and we could block to trade and draw. If he used Temple of Enlightenment, entering tapped lets us TS his creature to draw. Mana Confluence gets it down before TS. He loses life, but then if I don't cast Thoughtseize he can remove both my creatures, so I have to lose life too. Forcing me to cast Thoughtseize before a creature also costs me a turn in the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    @square_two: You assumed that soldier of the pantheon has haste on turn 3... These 2 additional points of damage which are not done in fact makes you loose the race. same result vs unlif therefore.
    DOH you're right. I've amended my post and scores. Thanks!

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    A bit late for the submission, a bit late for the analysis, real life has been keeping me busy lately. I owe you all an apology, especially to Asthereal who's doing an awesome job at entertaining us at the expense of their own time. Big props to them.

    Fortunately, I submitted the same 4 cards as Tylert, so my score should be 23 as well.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Preliminary scores for round 7:

    1. GoblinSmashmaster: 30 - 4,3
    2. Tylert: 23 - 3,3
    2. Unlif3: 23 - 3,3
    4. square_two: 20 - 2,9
    5. H: 16 - 2,3
    6. FTW: 13 - 1,9
    7. Wrath of Pie: 10 - 1,4
    8. Asthereal (TO): 9 - 1,3

    Which means GoblinSmashmaster takes the lead, closely followed by a heap of players. It's a close race this season!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Round 8 of 4CB Season 4, The Block Tour - part 2, has started. For this round we shall play Khans of Tarkir block (Khans of Tarkir, Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir)![/B]

    I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 8, so you can start sending me your decks.

    DEADLINE: Wednesday the 27th of November, at 11:00AM Central European Time.
    (That's my time. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)

    PLEASE NOTE:
    The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
    Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Plains, Chief of the Edge, Chief of the Scale (so with card tags around each card, and not above eachother), with your Username and 4CB S04R07 in the topic. Many of you already do this. Thanks a lot, this really saves me the time and hassle of copying and pasting text and tags!

    After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
    If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

    Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition.

    Happy deck designing everybody!
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    The sample deck has two Watchwolves.

    That looks sort of familiar...

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    The sample deck has two Watchwolves.

    That looks sort of familiar...
    I ran out of brain. Apologies.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    About 24 hours until the deadline, and we're at four submissions. Don't be late!

    EDIT: Aaand we're at seven. I don't know why I keep reminding you guys. Some of you just like to ride the (dead)line.
    Last edited by Asthereal; 11-26-2019 at 02:24 PM.
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    Working on it.
    I've got a good deck in preparation with two warriors that will be huge and will rock the meta but shhhh... i won't tell anymore.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    DECKS FOR ROUND 8 OF THE BLOCK TOUR Part 2: Khans of Tarkir block (Khans of Tarkir, Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir)

    1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Plains, Ruthless Ripper, Ainok Bond-Kin
    2. Wrath of Pie: Dismal Backwater, Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, Icefall Regent, Dragonlord Silumgar
    3. FTW: Swamp, Despise, Ruthless Ripper, Shambling Goblin
    4. square_two: Jungle Hollow, Forest, Rakshasa Deathdealer, Rakshasa Deathdealer
    5. H: Haven of the Spirit Dragon, Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, Necromaster Dragon, Dragonlord Silumgar
    6. Tylert: Plains, Plains, Ainok Bond-Kin, Ainok Bond-Kin
    7. Unlif3: Dismal Backwater, Haven of the Spirit Dragon, Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, Necromaster Dragon
    8. GoblinSmashmaster: Dismal Backwater, Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, Icefall Regent, Dragonlord Silumgar

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
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