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    Re: Modern Horizons Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    Plague Belcher doesn’t remove the counter, adds negative counters. Not sure it works
    It does. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters delete each other.
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    Chained to the Snow Land, anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    Plague Belcher doesn’t remove the counter, adds negative counters. Not sure it works
    It does: Assuming the counters don't kill the creature. State based effects have +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters cancel eachother out, and removed, however this is done at the same time a creature is checked for being dead.
    704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event
    704.5q If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
    So the creature is checked for being dead at the same time it's checking to cancel the counters. They happen simultaneously which means the creature technically had the counter on it when it dies.
    But if it survives the first-round of checks, the counters will have cancelled.
    Or as zombie players playing both Belcher and Geralf's messenger put it: Living the dream!

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    if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?
    Of course, yes. It would simply return with a +1/+1 counter again.
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    He's much more fearsome than his silly little raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    if it Undies does it lose the extra negative counter?
    Yup. When an object changes zones, counters don't move with it.
    So when it moved to the graveyard it lost all -1/-1 counters, and when it moves back to the battlefield it has no counters on it. Except for the one +1/+1 counter that the ability explicitly says it comes into play with.

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    Honestly, one of the best mana dumps I've ever seen.
    This card is excellent, I'm loving it. As long as you have 4 mana, every excess land can be turned into gas.

    Wouldn't it be an excellent fit into Moon Stompy? Although if you run 3sphere, it's kinda terrible.

    On the plus side, it might do some really stupid things with cost reducers + Loam.

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    Seems pretty good with Rabblemaster and Warboss to produce value. Bonus points for hiding behind a Bridge, amassing an army unti you use Fiery Confluence to blow everything up to nuke your opponent.

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    Re: Modern Horizons Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Finally, the captain of Mons's Goblin Raiders! Lots of flavor-win for this set alongside an exceptionally above average power curve. It's probably not playable, but Mogg Fanatic now does 2 damage again with Captain Mons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Comboes off with Skirk Prospector/Phyrexian Altar and Mana Echoes. It's a "whoops I win" combo for Goblin Tribal EDH with cards I might want to play anyways.

    Also, another card to dump your {3}{R} into.

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    Maybe as a 1-of in Elves? With a T1 dork and two lands, you have at least 6 mana on T3. Not to mention the silliness that ensues if you have Symbiote/Quirion Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glass House View Post

    This is sweet. Enchantress getting some love .
    This open a door for a GW lands deck, with solemnity to lock with glacial chasm and combo with depth. Life from the loam enchantment to the graveyard are a benefit now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obferraz View Post
    This open a door for a GW lands deck, with solemnity to lock with glacial chasm and combo with depth. Life from the loam enchantment to the graveyard are a benefit now.
    so true... already brewing.

    the biggest question with loam was always, "am i gonna dredge an enchantment that i really need?"
    getting to recast drop of honey or poryphry nodes is gonna be sweet...

    somebody did an amazing job on horizons; this is a great set!

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-inflammable View Post
    so true... already brewing.

    the biggest question with loam was always, "am i gonna dredge an enchantment that i really need?"
    getting to recast drop of honey or poryphry nodes is gonna be sweet...

    somebody did an amazing job on horizons; this is a great set!
    The card I was asking for in the last years. Really great job in this set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obferraz View Post
    The card I was asking for in the last years. Really great job in this set.
    now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apple713 View Post
    now you can get back artifact, creatures, and enchantments with lands. Maybe if we could get back planeswalkers that would be super awesome.
    Like does everyone feel that this set is incredible? I can't believe how much I'm loving everytime a spoiler hits, just so much wow!

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    There's so much...positivity....this doesn't feel like the Source I know and sometimes love.
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    The set is diverse enough that there's something for everyone to like. I dislike most of the set, but there's plenty of gems to be excited for.

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    Leaked, but pretty much verified real (the better quality image of someone physically holding up the card was taken down on Reddit).


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