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    For people picking cards up, these are SCG prices

    Most expensive mythics, anything above $28:

    Urza, Lord High Artificer- $55
    The First Sliver- $45
    Wrenn and Six- $40
    Echo of Eons- $40
    Unbound Flourishing- $35
    Sword of Truth and Justice- $35
    Sword of Sinew and Steel- $35
    Yawgmoth, Thran Physician- $35

    Most expensive rares, anything above $8:

    Force of Negation- $35
    Nurturing Peatland- $35
    Fiery Islet- $35
    Sunbaked Canyon- $30
    Silent Clearing- $30
    Waterlogged Grove- $30
    Prismatic Vista- $30
    Flusterstorm- $20
    Hall of Heliod's Generosity- $15
    Archmage's Charm- $13
    Tectonic Reformation- $12

    The two uncommons above $1:

    Battle Screech- $2
    Goblin Matron- $1.50

    The only common to reach $1:

    Spore Frog- $1

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOLWut View Post
    For people picking cards up, these are SCG prices

    Most expensive mythics, anything above $28:

    Urza, Lord High Artificer- $55
    The First Sliver- $45
    Wrenn and Six- $40
    Echo of Eons- $40
    Unbound Flourishing- $35
    Sword of Truth and Justice- $35
    Sword of Sinew and Steel- $35
    Yawgmoth, Thran Physician- $35

    Most expensive rares, anything above $8:

    Force of Negation- $35
    Nurturing Peatland- $35
    Fiery Islet- $35
    Sunbaked Canyon- $30
    Silent Clearing- $30
    Waterlogged Grove- $30
    Prismatic Vista- $30
    Flusterstorm- $20
    Hall of Heliod's Generosity- $15
    Archmage's Charm- $13
    Tectonic Reformation- $12

    The two uncommons above $1:

    Battle Screech- $2
    Goblin Matron- $1.50

    The only common to reach $1:

    Spore Frog- $1
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    Thoughts on what cards are going to impact legacy?

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    Thoughts on what cards are going to impact legacy?
    I have a sneaky feeling Brainstorm might just cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittplayer View Post
    Thoughts on what cards are going to impact legacy?
    Guaranteed (to at least be attempted):

    Wrenn and Six (Lands)
    Force of Negation (sideboard option)
    Force of Vigor (Manaless Dredge, Turbo Depths)
    Prismatic Vista
    Fiery Islet (not sure if the others will see play or not)
    Hogaak, The Manaless Dredge King
    Cabal Therapist (Deadguy Ale)
    Echo of Eons (not sure, but it will show up somewhere, new brews)
    Hall of Heliod's Generosity (Lands, Enchantress, new brews)
    Scale Up (might be good enough for Infect)
    Kaya's Guile (pretty good utility card in BW)

    Brew Material, might show up in some crazy decks:

    Bazaar Trademage (creature-based Bazaar of Baghdad screams Vengevine brew)
    Hexdrinker (Nic Fit potential)
    Astral Drift (people will try...)
    Giver of Runes (not sure which decks want more than 4 Moms)
    Mirrodin Besieged (janky, but potential here)
    Tribute Mage (it's a tutor, someone will try it)
    Plague Engineer (Deadguy Ale sideboard potential)
    Goblin Engineer (SFM + Welder >/= 3)
    Planebound Accomplice (Someone will try...)
    Crashing Footfalls (it seems good enough, not sure where it fits best)
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    I agree with the above list. Echo will be banned pretty soon for its abuse with LED..

    The more dubious cards:

    I think the swords are being overlooked, both of them are playable (maindeck artifact hate and equipment hate and the other one is protection from uw miracles sans terminus.)

    Faerie seer could see fringe play, but i dont know where yet. In non-tier decks like ninjas or faerie stompy

    Dead of winter could see play as a replacement that does not cost life

    Shenanigans for dredge and loam decks, and many sidebords

    Unsettled mariner for uw dnt

    Talisman of creativity for grixis tezzeret decks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    I agree with the above list. Echo will be banned pretty soon for its abuse with LED..

    The more dubious cards:

    I think the swords are being overlooked, both of them are playable (maindeck artifact hate and equipment hate and the other one is protection from uw miracles sans terminus.)

    Faerie seer could see fringe play, but i dont know where yet. In non-tier decks like ninjas or faerie stompy

    Dead of winter could see play as a replacement that does not cost life

    Shenanigans for dredge and loam decks, and many sidebords

    Unsettled mariner for uw dnt

    Talisman of creativity for grixis tezzeret decks
    Good points. I also think the Swords are somewhat of an unknown quantity at this point...they could be good enough, but I think overall the legacy community isn't clamoring to try it. Faerie Seer is an incredible card for Pauper and could make the mono-blue Faeries deck work in Modern, but I don't think it will see play in legacy. Dead of Winter can't really be run in Pox, the only deck that could reasonably have enough Snow lands to make it work. Too many colorless land that are too important to that deck. Modern 8Rack with the new snow man-land? Pretty deece. Shenanigans is a modern sideboard card, but likely not a legacy one.

    The one card I left out that you mentioned that I think will definitely see play is Unsettled Mariner. It's an incredibly powerful card that will definitely see play. Legacy Humans is a fringe deck, D&T splashing blue isn't too hard, and even spawning a new version of UW Tempo could conceivably happen. Even Stoneblade might try it out, I personally think it's good enough for that deck but I'm no Stoneblade expert.
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    Re: Modern Horizons Spoilers

    Some cards to the above list:

    Collector Ouphe may also make it into Green sideboards
    Force of Vigor may also appear in sideboards
    Ranger-Captain of Eos may also make it as a flex spot in some D&T lists or even Soldiers and/or Humans
    Mirrodin besieged will be tried as a combo win condition somewhere
    On Thin Ice is already being tried out in mostly mono-white decks as a possible replacement for Path to Exile (for those decks that want to run more than 4 swords)
    Whether the Storm may be tried out as an SB card for green against storm and/Or even a combo enabler in terrible combo decks
    Lesser manticore looks like it could be a two drop in an artifact deck, especially if a welder deck develops through Goblin Engineer
    Scrapyard Recombiner will be tested in MUD and probably will not make the cut

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    Re: Modern Horizons Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Some cards to the above list:

    Collector Ouphe may also make it into Green sideboards
    Scrapyard Recombiner will be tested in MUD and probably will not make the cut
    Good catch, I do think Ouphe will make it into mostly Modern sideboards but being green for GSZ is definitely a talking point. Recombiner is definitely combo material, something the new hotness of Bomberman might want.
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    There are always odds and ends. I'm pretty sure there are better options in legacy, but Yawgmoth, Thran Physician has potential as a combo/draw engine with recursion abilities like undying. Ruination Rioter has a lot of reach potential in some kind of an aggro deck.

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    hard not to underestimate urza. if nothing else i suspect a lot of testing went into such an iconic card. it's possible it might only make the cut for commander, but i think we need to jam some games in limited with it to see just how oppressive it can be.

    it's likely it will just be a crazy powerful value card, instead of a combo engine (which it looks like it can also be)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    hard not to underestimate urza. if nothing else i suspect a lot of testing went into such an iconic card. it's possible it might only make the cut for commander, but i think we need to jam some games in limited with it to see just how oppressive it can be.

    it's likely it will just be a crazy powerful value card, instead of a combo engine (which it looks like it can also be)
    There will definitely be a Modern Urza deck. Whether we see one in Legacy remains to be seen, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    hard not to underestimate urza. if nothing else i suspect a lot of testing went into such an iconic card. it's possible it might only make the cut for commander, but i think we need to jam some games in limited with it to see just how oppressive it can be.

    it's likely it will just be a crazy powerful value card, instead of a combo engine (which it looks like it can also be)
    I want to combine Urza with Mass Polymorph, Synthetic Destiny, Indomitable Creativity or Warp World but I don't think that's a competitive thing.

    The thing with Urza is that he sits in the "expensive to cast, and cheating in griseldad wins the game more easily" range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I want to combine Urza with Mass Polymorph, Synthetic Destiny, Indomitable Creativity or Warp World but I don't think that's a competitive thing.

    The thing with Urza is that he sits in the "expensive to cast, and cheating in griseldad wins the game more easily" range.
    Why wouldn't b/u Tezz decks want a one of to go infinite with thopter/sword?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittplayer View Post
    Why wouldn't b/u Tezz decks want a one of to go infinite with thopter/sword?
    How much does adding Urza improve the chance of winning compared to just making four more 1/1s for the same mana in that scenario?

    How many scenarios are there where having - say - force of negation instead is just as good or better?

    I could be totally wrong here. Maybe Urza is JTMS 2.0 or something. I just don't think he makes that much of a positive difference most of the time.

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    Isn't thopter sword infinite life with urza? That should win most matchups if you can combo that.
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    Isn't thopter sword infinite life with urza? That should win most matchups if you can combo that.
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