It‘s quite simple bud, these aren‘t one card combos that say “I can‘t lose.“ Hate cards range between silly and obnoxious/dumb. No matter how ‘derpy‘ a hate card is it should not be perfect, eternal/no sustain, broad and absolute [and a wincon all at the same time].
A modern Vial/CoCo deck is unabashedly braindead and linear/uninteractive in that it is a 1-trick pony with the exact same play patterns. Cards like RiP/Stony/C. Priest/etc are made to allow them to never deviate from their style of dude jammin, because the moment their strategy predictably fails to interact, they reach a sideboard card rather than realizing the maindeck should probably be changed if X strategy is a concern.
You can subjectively dislike things like TurboMoon and Sol Land into Chalice x=1, but these cards have objective limitations. Limits create atypical opportunities to play through hate, without necessarily having to go straight to a kill spell.
To be honest, how is Containment Priest any different? You are forced to either answer the troublesome permanent that is impeding your deck of working, or try to get around it with "alternative lines" (aka change your deck's entire gameplan). Which one sounds simpler to accomplish?
Again, Containment Priest is no different. Its effect is symmetrical. You are unable to run Vial alongside it or any other cards that cheat creatures into play.-cards with symmetrical effects which require specific deckbuilding (Chains of Mephistopheles, Chalice of the Void, Smokestack, Blood Moon)
Priest is a very strong hate card but you talk about it as if its text read
Flash
Hexproof
If a nontoken creature would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control and it wasn't cast, exile it instead.
Both Cabal Therapist and Dread Shade should have had a zombie subtype.
It sucks that Dread Shade is the only one of the dominiara 3 mana cycle that doesnt see play in any format.
Those decks would simply need to incorporate some way to kill a 2/2 creature. Not that big a deal.
The best thing about containment priest is that by printing it, Wizards may be able to remove several cards from the current modern ban list.
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It really comes back to their is no Leyline of creatures can't enter the battlefield being a more accurate representation of the kind of card C. Priest is. This is the level of random 1-card absolute, eternal hate that doesn't require anything out a deck that didn't care about having creatures (or even a deck that uses creatures, but isn't the deck relying solely on creatures) - these cards [regardless of dying to removal] say this card by itself has declared this to be a non-game that I can't lose regardless [mostly] of whatever my own maindeck strategy is (until addressed directly). The reaction to a Leyline like that should be "that kinda seems like a bullcrap card....cause it just is...as a function of being solely designed to make a non-game." This same scenario of "we're clearly not playing actual games of magic here" could also be illustrated by letting one person have opening hands with Dark Rit/Necropotence - dies to removal/just cast Pithing Needle isn't going to fix that whole 'this is non-gamey' aspect.
Meddling Mage stops a specific named endpoint of a plan (or a single piece leading up to it). True Believer is only going to affect one type of endpoint [requiring targeting the opponent]. Humility does not change the fact that they still get 1/1 wincons. When it comes to Humility it has another critically important aspect: influencing how its users maindeck is going to look - you will see atypical things like manlands and preferences away from Snapcaster (~Mission Briefing). What you won't see in decks that run to the SB C. Priests of the world is a maindeck that is forced to look different to cope with the effects of the hate they're packing, nor do they have to change the maindeck to address a bad matchup (you just side in some fire-and-forget free rolls that win the game by themselves).
In the case of modern, C. Priest might get directly killed...but until it is directly killed an unacceptably wide swath of the modern format can't do anything resembling a real game of magic except try and draw a kill spell. You can sit back and say they should change tens of cards and totally not do anything like what their deck was supposed to do - but we really have to remember that there is no single, broadly-applicable [i.e. not narrow] "you're done playing magic" card that you can bounce back at a C. Priest user.
The most recent deck on that list is from almost a year ago, and it didn't see particularly frequent play even before that. My point is that if Containment Priest was as gobsmackingly good as was claimed it would be, one would have expect to see Hallowed Moonlight as more than an ultra-fringe sideboard card.
Where are the spoilers? New set new spoilers! SPOIL THIS ALREADY WIZARDS!
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Someone posted a apparently leaked list about few cards to be reprinted.
I looked too broken to me to be true.
I will have a look if i can find it again.
Edit: image added
This might be some serious bullshit. I found it on MtgSalvation from a reliable source ;)
Too broken to be true.
Edit 2: Apparently Oubliette will be reprinted and there will be a completely new PW.
You could probably make a sale on some of that stuff, but Gush and Grindstone in Modern? Not buying that. Maybe some of that stuff is in and those are Promos.
Also, not sure I buy Daze as being in there...
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
It's actually really bizarre to me. I mean, I think someone could make a case for it, since the sort of lands one wants to run in Modern have such an obvious set of drawbacks for being picked up, I don't think it would actually be "broken" it's just a stupid card. I think Pauper kind of shows that it is powerful even if you aren't out to "abuse" it, but I guess then we are asking, are they looking to sort of homogenize Pauper and Modern?
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Stasis and Tinder Wall really make me disbelieve.
No Grim Tutor or Imperial Seal? Seems legit.
*massages temples*
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