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    Ice-BURG Phoenix

    4 Arclight Phoenix
    2 Bloodghast
    3 Thing in the Ice
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Entomb
    3 Force of Will
    4 Manamorphose
    4 Thought Scour
    4 Cabal Therapy
    4 Careful Study
    2 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Land Grant
    4 Ponder
    1 Thoughtseize
    1 Bayou
    1 Island
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Swamp
    2 Tropical Island
    3 Underground Sea
    1 Volcanic Island
    Sideboard
    3 Abrupt Decay
    4 Accumulated Knowledge
    2 Ancient Grudge
    1 Assassin's Trophy
    1 Memory's Journey
    1 Sentinel Tower
    2 Surgical Extraction
    1 Thoughtseize

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    Re: Ice-BURG Phoenix

    Love the thread name.

    Currently playing this deck and loving it. I was on the Grixis Buried Alive list for a bit, but quickly shifted to also playing a U/B focused list to more "slowball" the Phoenixes, leveraging Entomb to get a threat or two into play and Cabal Therapy plus the "slower" nature of the deck to consistently have some hand control. (slowball not being my term, but something I picked up when reading the discussion of the deck in the Grixis Phoenix thread)

    I have been enjoying this list immensely. While I enjoy the way Grixis Buried Alive plays, I feel this fairer version provides a lot of upside, namely a list with the same number of hand disruption as Buried Alive, while also being able to run some copies of FoW and dropping Lotus Petal. Plus, I think the threat package with TitI is just a lot cooler than the Grixis version Dark Confidant/Young Pyromancer/Mentor (although, if I could somehow get access to Mentor, I might consider it. Sadly, the mana just doesn't work out).

    As for changes I have/am trying, it is mostly sideboard related:
    1) The one mainboard change I have is instead of 2 IoK/1 Thoughtseize, I am on 2 Collective Brutality/1 Thoughtseize. I am not sure if the card is worth it, as the extra cmc makes it harder to get Phoenixes, but I enjoy the mainboard "removal" option and ability to discard.
    2) For the sideboard, I have had some issue with AK, as I feel the need to cast them before Miracles does in grindy matchups, providing them more value. I am currently switching between Painful Truths or Take Inventory.

    For some things to "think" on:
    1) Someone on reddit mentioned a possibility of using Intuition as a variable tutor. I think it works better in Grixis and has more drawbacks (high cmc, often can't get Phoenixes into play after, leaves a Phoenix in hand if you go for 3) than it has upsides (2x Cabal Therapy + Bloodghast is a cool pick). But might be something fun to think of.
    2) Sentinel Tower is dope, but I was wondering what we might want to consider as other alternative cards to bring in to bolster games when the Graveyard isn't reliable or Bridge heavy matchups.
    3) U/W with huge numbers of basics is increasing in numbers. Being proactive will be key, so it'll be interesting to think of what might be shuffled to the MB or changed in the SB. Mostly worried about Back to Basics in games 2 and on (or game 1 vs Miracles). But, I think TitI provides a great threat that can handle what these decks usually put out, so we have that going for us. And out current SB removal options are solid.
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    Bizarro Stormy
    Ice-BURG Phoenix

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    Re: Ice-BURG Phoenix

    Some more thoughts after discussing with some people I know.

    1) I am currently planning to shift the number of TitI to 2 and remove the Bloodghasts for 3x Young Pyromancers. This is also prompting me to ditch 1 Tropical for 1 Taiga. I think this could end up being a mistake, but I just can't ignore the synergy of Young Pyromancer and Cabal Therapy, and I think with how good a threat it is, it might beat the upside of Entomb getting you a Bloodghast. Probably wrong to do so, but we shall see.

    2) The larger idea that the Young Pyromancer came from is my friend wanted to remove TitI and Bloodghast all together. While I am not on board with it, he suggested Young Pyromancer as a better threat with Cabal Therapy and, to keep the blue count high while also adding in a card that "uses" the graveyard since we have Careful Study and Thought Scour, Pteramander as threats. Thoughts?

    Also, the Legacy Phoenix discord is up and running for a while now, and I asked WhiteFaces to add a set of channels for Ice-BURG, so come join us for discussion here: https://discord.gg/gpQ7GQ
    Last edited by UnOrthodox Bird; 03-17-2019 at 12:41 AM.
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