// 60 Maindeck
// 4 Artifact
4 Bolas's Citadel
// 12 Creature
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Children of Korlis
2 Dryad Arbor
2 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Knight of the Reliquary
// 9 Instant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Culling the Weak
1 Crop Rotation
// 18 Land
2 Bayou
3 Swamp
3 Forest
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Horizon Canopy
// 17 Sorcery
1 Doomsday
2 Tendrils of Agony
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Dark Petition
4 Diabolic Intent
been goldfishing a lot with this list, and am pretty happy with it now. reliquary gives you potentially a few extra shuffles and can set up something like -> sac land -> shuffle and grab a fetch. then you can fetch into dryad arbor, which gives you some extra sac fodder.
-rob
New vamp tutor here is great. Can replace a few spells. Enables more turn 2 citadels as well, so that's pretty exciting.
turn 1 bayou, veteran explorer
turn 2 culling the weak, get 2 lands. cast citadel. play land, cast scheming symmetry. game over!
also turn 1 you can cast scheming symmetry for missing piece.
turn 2 cast explorer, culling, citadel. chance to win there still exists, but need to get lucky off the top.
-rob
// 60 Maindeck
// 4 Artifact
4 Bolas's Citadel
// 11 Creature
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Children of Korlis
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Knight of the Reliquary
// 9 Instant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Culling the Weak
1 Crop Rotation
// 18 Land
2 Bayou
3 Swamp
3 Forest
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Plains
1 Marsh Flats
1 Nurturing Peatland
// 18 Sorcery
1 Doomsday
2 Tendrils of Agony
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Diabolic Intent
4 Imperial Seal
-rob
I thought Imperial Seal was banned in Legacy? Did they unban it?
Haven't been keeping up with the previews, but scheming symetry looks amazing in this deck.
Find a balanced card, then break it.
Was going to buy a broken watch... now i may buy magic cards instead...
What is jank may never die, long live jank.
Oh, and it's hilarious that in a 1v1 match, leyline of sanctity/ivory mask/etc. effectively act as counters since the 2nd player cannot be a legal target. Whomp whomp, corner case rules are fun!
Leyline already beat the other version, you need to run 2 doomsday to gain infinite life. The tutor just helps the consistency. Can run the extra doomsday now as it would give you 6 instant wins off the top.
-rob
How does 2 doomsday gain infinite life? Exiling cards and paying half your life more than once, doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Since leyline will be a thing, how to circumvent that? Initial thought is something like hurricane damage that doesn't target, or a token generator like Army of the Damned or Beacon of Creation. Or just reclamation sage. But what if more than one piece of hate?
Last edited by ahg113; 06-28-2019 at 10:01 PM.
first doomsday builds a pile with
children of korlis + doomsday + tendrils etc.
but to simplify let's just pretend you have no goal of winning, just infinite life.
start at 7 life. cast first doomsday. go to 2. cast children, go to 1. sac children, gain 6. cast doomsday #2. rebuild the same pile and you're back at 2 life. cast children again, go to 1. sac children, gain 12 life. now you're at 13. cast doomsday, go to 5. cast children, go to 4. sac children. gain 21. etc.
at the end you can put a tendrils as one of your 5 cards as you'll have infinite storm. i also like having something like...siege rhino + cabal therapy. you can siege rhino them to death too.
-rob
If the Siege Rhino looping is really a necessary trick to have in the back pocket, for a SB, add in some number of Carrion Feeder, and the 2nd Doomsday could help too in the SB.
It's not important. 🙂
-rob
i was just thinking, even though it's a bit of a nonbo with citadel, it might be okay to run a griselbrand or two in here. he comes down on turn 3 in this deck? is that too slow?
you can get him with turn 2 in christmas land.
turn 1 land + gsz for dryad arbor, turn 2 phyrexian tower. tap arbor, cast veteran explorer. sac arbor to tower BB. tap t1 land. BBG. use B for culling. BBBB + BG, get 2 lands. cast griselbrand....
-rob
I think Griz is a bridge too far under normal circumstances. Maybe it's something to side into instead of Citadel G2 or G3, but the space he'd take seems very counter productive MD.
N00b question. How do taxing effects interact with Citadel's alternate casting cost ability?
I'd sooner run a Living Wish package then. A bit slow but you get a lot of tools
What are folks thinking about for a sideboard? I got silly and went on a spree to make this thing in paper.
Thinking beacon of creation (because i like it even though it's a bad card), black sun zenith, prenicious deed, abrupt decay, more discard(?, hymn, kozilek), black leyline, City of Solitude.
Last edited by ahg113; 06-25-2019 at 12:05 PM.
Exactly as stated in most cases, you would pay the CMC in life and then pay x additional mana. With Trinisphere, you would pay the CMC in life and then 3 mana. Things that reduce cost would have no effect unless there was also a tax in place from something, since it is based on CMC. (i believe, after rereading it)
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