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    Legacy Innovations and Brews

    I wanted to start a thread here as it was mentioned on Reddit how to improve reasons why people should still use this forum instead of just relying on discord.

    One of the best parts of legacy is the ability to do some brewing. A lot of decklists get posted and most get overlooked. (Especially those coming from the Hareruya website.)

    I'll leave the first post where I can post some links and references.
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    // jpa93 (7th place) a legacy deck by jpa93 (dec) version

    // 60 Maindeck
    // 8 Creature
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Monastery Mentor

    // 18 Instant
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    2 Liliana's Triumph
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    // 20 Land
    3 Flooded Strand
    2 Island
    3 Marsh Flats
    1 Plains
    3 Polluted Delta
    1 Scrubland
    1 Swamp
    3 Tundra
    3 Underground Sea

    // 6 Planeswalker
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Narset, Parter of Veils
    2 Teferi, Time Raveler

    // 8 Sorcery
    1 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Ponder
    3 Thoughtseize


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 1 Artifact
    SB: 1 Null Rod

    // 6 Instant
    SB: 1 Disenchant
    SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
    SB: 2 Zealous Persecution

    // 1 Planeswalker
    SB: 1 Liliana, the Last Hope

    // 7 Sorcery
    SB: 2 Council's Judgment
    SB: 3 Hymn to Tourach
    SB: 2 Lingering Souls


    I wanted to start this with a brew which sees some play, but I think is more or less off the radar. Hoping to get some other's feedback on it, and start a conversation. Every few days or at least once a week I'll update the thread with a new deck, however anyone can post on here as long as they feel like the deck is innovative, or a brew, and had some kind of tournament showing, no matter how large the tournament.

    pros:
    threats are diverse
    delver for early game, mentor for early/endgame
    6 planeswalkers can outvalue and steal games
    daze + force + discard for anti combo
    reasonable amount of removal, but not too narrow.

    cons:
    light on threats
    manabase is a bit messy.
    cantrips + discard + delver is weak to chalice. (although teferi answers it maindeck)
    -rob

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    Does that even count? I mean it's a Xerox deck and they changed a couple threats. This is why legacy isn't as interesting as it used to be
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    i don't want this thread to be a whining fest.

    if you want to complain you can always go over to the banned thread. the point of the thread is to get a little sense of community on here.

    thanks!
    -rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    i don't want this thread to be a whining fest.

    if you want to complain you can always go over to the banned thread. the point of the thread is to get a little sense of community on here.

    thanks!
    I think megadeus has a point though, you could discuss this list reasonably in existing discords i would think.
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    feel free to post a list, i just grabbed one that wasn't a stock 75. i'm not going to fight over a list like this, i personally don't care for it, but i felt like the combination of delver + mentor was interesting enough.
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    This is why legacy isn't as interesting as it used to be
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    // 8 Creature
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Monastery Mentor
    No. Just no. Delver is for tempo. Mentor is for control.

    Do you have anything more innovative than merging two staple Xerox shells? I'm surprised no one has posted RUG Delver with a singleton basic and 1 Light Up the Stage? Or Death & Taxes with Snow-Covered Plains?

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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    It's fine, I give up. Let the site rot, the only thing consistent about this site is the negativity.
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    It's fine, I give up. Let the site rot, the only thing consistent about this site is the negativity.
    I think you've gotten good feedback so far. It's hard to convey the difference between being direct and being negative with the written word. Your list doesn't work for a couple of reasons, and it's not doing anything novel ~ it's just doing the same thing (xerox), in a worse way. These are fair assessments, and I've given you the parameters [number of free slots] with which you can actually brew with Esper Delver.

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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    I don't use discord so I have no clue why people choose it over the source so I can't speak to that. But the format is pretty stale for the most part. I mean miracles is still borderline the best deck in the format without probably it's best non brainstorm card and everything else is either Xerox strategy or token nonblue deck that preys on incredibly slanted blue field.
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=30655&iddeck=260462

    This is probably the most interesting list I could find on TCDecks. Still just a Xerox shell at the end of the day though. Ponder and Brainstorm are cancerous to this format
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    Re: Legacy Innovations and Brews

    Quote Originally Posted by mistercakes View Post
    // jpa93 (7th place) a legacy deck by jpa93 (dec) version

    // 60 Maindeck
    // 8 Creature
    4 Delver of Secrets
    4 Monastery Mentor

    // 18 Instant
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    2 Liliana's Triumph
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    // 20 Land
    3 Flooded Strand
    2 Island
    3 Marsh Flats
    1 Plains
    3 Polluted Delta
    1 Scrubland
    1 Swamp
    3 Tundra
    3 Underground Sea

    // 6 Planeswalker
    2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Narset, Parter of Veils
    2 Teferi, Time Raveler

    // 8 Sorcery
    1 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Ponder
    3 Thoughtseize


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 1 Artifact
    SB: 1 Null Rod

    // 6 Instant
    SB: 1 Disenchant
    SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
    SB: 2 Zealous Persecution

    // 1 Planeswalker
    SB: 1 Liliana, the Last Hope

    // 7 Sorcery
    SB: 2 Council's Judgment
    SB: 3 Hymn to Tourach
    SB: 2 Lingering Souls


    I wanted to start this with a brew which sees some play, but I think is more or less off the radar. Hoping to get some other's feedback on it, and start a conversation. Every few days or at least once a week I'll update the thread with a new deck, however anyone can post on here as long as they feel like the deck is innovative, or a brew, and had some kind of tournament showing, no matter how large the tournament.

    pros:
    threats are diverse
    delver for early game, mentor for early/endgame
    6 planeswalkers can outvalue and steal games
    daze + force + discard for anti combo
    reasonable amount of removal, but not too narrow.

    cons:
    light on threats
    manabase is a bit messy.
    cantrips + discard + delver is weak to chalice. (although teferi answers it maindeck)
    Love it! This deck is very interesting to me. The design of this deck itself is flawed though in that it does not have a direction. My suspicion is that it has not been tested sufficiently by people who know what to look for. To be specific, the Delvers and Dazes belong in one deck while the Planeswalkers and Mentors belong in another. Also, Lili's Triumph in a deck that does not have Liliana seems kinda silly. That makes the card just a worse Diabolic Edict. Also, Teferi while cool, probably does not belong in this deck at all. It wants a control-combo shell. So to wrap this up with some clarity, I like the new Narset a lot. I do not like this deck at all.
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