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    If you play against any fast combo deck like Belcher and they get the missing piece to go off, you lose ... Control decks just search for FoW against you.
    Yeah, it would be very different if it was instant speed, or even if Probe was legal.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Interesting..

    Auratog Aggro? ;-)

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by LOLWut View Post
    Yeah, it would be very different if it was instant speed, or even if Probe was legal.
    I agree. If probe were legal it would allow some pretty nutty things like LED LED, swamp, this, probe hold priority crack LEDs and draw and cast ad nauseam with 1 floating and having used 0 of your rituals.
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    yeah well for U, one of your 12 cantrips gets you exactly there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    yeah well for U, one of your 12 cantrips gets you exactly there
    And the difference between U and 2 life is pretty incredible in a format where simple having a land in play gives you access to 0 Mana counter spells
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    Auratog Aggro? ;-)
    Elephant Grass
    Mind Harness
    Mystic Remora
    Seal of Fire / Removal / Cleansing

    Probably not good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poron View Post
    Young Pyromancer, Cabal Therapy, all the cantrips in the universe...
    The interaction with Young Pyromancer could be seriously worth exploring. As a starting point I would grab a Temur Delver list and replace the Mongooses and TNNs with Pyromancers and Reefs. Maybe add Dreadhorde Arcanist too since it also pairs excellently with Pyromancer. Throw in single copies of Tempt with Vengeance and Chandra, Acolyte of Flame (the new 1RR costed one that spits out 2 elementals for 0 loyalty) for jank points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Elephant Grass
    Mind Harness
    Mystic Remora
    Seal of Fire / Removal / Cleansing

    Probably not good enough.
    I guess also at 2CMC (down to 1 with this in play)
    Ancestral Knowledge
    Animate Dead/Dance of the Dead
    Energy Field
    Hesitation
    Legacy's Allure (no mana reduction)
    Seal of Primordium
    Standstill
    Sterling Grove (no mana reduction)

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers



    A 3/3 vigilance flyer that can be protected by Karakas for 3 mana (although it's Mardu, aka the worst color combination Magic). I don't think the ETB ability would matter much outside of Commander, but maybe I'm missing something. The closest thing where this might work is probably in a Humans deck where it can grab Unsettled Mariners, if that ever becomes a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I agree. If probe were legal it would allow some pretty nutty things like LED LED, swamp, this, probe hold priority crack LEDs and draw and cast ad nauseam with 1 floating and having used 0 of your rituals.
    Street Wraith and Edge of Autumn are still around, though you'll want a different combo engine than Ad Nauseam with those.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Street Wraith and Edge of Autumn are still around, though you'll want a different combo engine than Ad Nauseam with those.
    Right but those are Infinity worse cards than probe
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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers



    Maybe big mana decks can make use of it? Unlike Simulacrum, it can fetch nonbasics like more Posts, or Eye of Ugin or Karakas for shenanigans. Sure, Expedition Map can do the same, but gets blocked by Chalice and can't be bounced with Karakas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    http://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/kaaliazenithseeker.jpg

    A 3/3 vigilance flyer that can be protected by Karakas for 3 mana (although it's Mardu, aka the worst color combination Magic). I don't think the ETB ability would matter much outside of Commander, but maybe I'm missing something. The closest thing where this might work is probably in a Humans deck where it can grab Unsettled Mariners, if that ever becomes a thing.
    There could be a fun interaction with Soulflayer, but you're probably right. That said, they may print some combination of creatures that busts the ability later.

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    I like it. Not overly powerful but can be easily used without spending any real resources in decks like control. This puts them at a disadvantage to do so since they wouldn't get to play as many basics. Also, nearly impossible to abuse early game.

    Don't really think it's powerful enough for eternal, but I like the design.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    There could be a fun interaction with Soulflayer, but you're probably right. That said, they may print some combination of creatures that busts the ability later.
    Tombstalker is also a demon with cost reduction. Serra Avenger is an angel it could fetch. But all those double colored mana cost are going to clash with her own mana cost.

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    Seven different lands for a 2/2 zombie token is a tall order, especially since it doesn't produce colored mana and ETB tapped.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Flood of Tears 4UU
    Sorcery - Rare
    Return all nonland permanents to their owner's hands.
    If you return four or more nontoken permanents you control this way, you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.

    I kinda like this . . . it's bounce and cheat in big guy into play. Not better than S&T for half the mana, but still cool design.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Tombstalker is also a demon with cost reduction. Serra Avenger is an angel it could fetch. But all those double colored mana cost are going to clash with her own mana cost.


    Seven different lands for a 2/2 zombie token is a tall order, especially since it doesn't produce colored mana and ETB tapped.
    Its also a Zombie for every other land drop after. Still shit.
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    Its also a Zombie for every other land drop after. Still shit.
    It seems pretty comparable to Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which is strong, but doesn't seem to be legacy viable.

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    Re: Core Set 2020 Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    It seems pretty comparable to Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which is strong, but doesn't seem to be legacy viable.
    Valakut isn't really Legacy-viable, either. But the Zombie land is shit.



    Not too sure how this compares to the temporary removal creature cards like Palace Jailer.

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