Yep. In reality. Most of us Vintage players either left magic altogether or moved over to legacy once Vintage cards became too pricy to be things we should be playing games with. It wasn't a big loss, there are only a handful of cards that are allowed in Vintage but banned in Legacy. Like your link shows, a handful of people stuck around with Vintage and later Old School, but the rest of us that still play Magic sold out of Vintage and now play Legacy.
Once legacy dies, some will move on to Modern (that's probably what Wizards wants) and others will leave Magic altogether. But as for the tens of thousands of Magic cards/strategies and synergies that only exist in Legacy and will never see print into Modern, these cards and decks will be left behind in the dustbin of history.
I dabble with Modern as well. Legacy is A LOT more fun than Modern. And I would be very sad to see it die only because Legacy players cared more about how much someone is willing to spend on expensive pieces of cardboard rather than actually having an accessible format that is welcoming to newcomers.
Nedleeds gets banned, forum activity plummets. Not much more to say. He was extremely active in brewing non-blue decks, posting in the pimp thread, and keeping alive the great flame wars of old.
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The thing about allowing proxies was to keep the playerbase large so that people can actually play. Saying that proxying to help build the playerbase is a problem and then saying it's ok for the playerbase to be tiny doesn't follow. How many people do you know that can play Old School daily? Or even weekly? Against more than 1 other person?
I love this idea.
A one time global unbanning of all previous mtgthesource members with over 25 posts (to screen out any spam accounts) would be nice. I'm sure any people permabanned for taking part in a flame war have matured in the past 5-15 years or so.
The mods should also send an automated email to all the unbanned accounts letting them know they are no longer banned (if possible).
I've thought for a long time that Wizards should license the rights for making "official" proxies. Let Star City or CF pay for the right to make tourney legal proxies so people can play in sanctioned events. It makes Wotc some cash and let's stores sell cards for a few bucks and more people play. What could go wrong...?
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Wasn’t Legacy supposed to die in like 2009?
The Source might die, but not Legacy. Legacy players never say die!
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The Pimp thread could use more love.
2009 was the beginning of its end when Goyf was the first staple card that wasn't some odd special printing like Loyal Retainers to reach +30 Euro. Legacy's fate was sealed once people actually started to pay these prices despite being due to obvious manipulative practices (I remember V.Clique to reach 30+ from 7-8 within a few hours in 2011 after a buyout). The people truly responsible for Legacy's future death are going to be the ones who paid those prices and thereby brought in all the hoarders and speculators to ruin the format.
Also on the forum ban debate: I'm surprised that there are actually any bans here since I thought this was one of the most liberal online discussion boards I've been part of.
Interesting notion, have a "tournament only" print run of cards with special backs or obvious "TOURNAMENT ONLY PROXY" stamps on them? The stated intention being "these allow you to play with expensive cards in a limited, select number of tournaments without risking damage".
Allow the tournament organizer to print the cards, that way Wizards isn't printing them and therefore isn't running afoul of its Reserve List policy? How's that for a loophole?
i posted this more than a year ago; still applies right now:
"If this is really all about playing in a sanctioned, non-proxy tournament, then why can't you "rent" a card for a single event?
This would still "move" cards in a $ positive direction for sellers and players can still attend that big event.
In MTGO, you don't own the cards but you own a digital license to the image or some such nonsense.
If it works for MTGO, then WOTC can "lease" me the physical card, too.
WOTC can monetize this now by doing something similar with any licensed card that is ONLY useable for one event.
It CAN even just be a blank card that says "UNDERGROUND SEA" in block letters.
It doesn't violate the RL but still allows players to play in a sanctioned, non-proxy tournament."
By that logic, wouldn't the "death" of Legacy be attributed to Star City Games? None of that would be possible without the Open Series that sucked a ridiculous numbers of new players in and gave Legacy more attention than it ever had. People then bought into the format, which eventually caused speculators to buy in and make a profit.
Problem with that is the WOTC has a very reduced degree of interest in formats other than standard and limited. They embarked into modern as a way to sell more standard, not because they had any fuzzy feelings about eternal formats. They support eternal formats to the extent that they can say 'sure kid, buy that booster box, after standard you can even use it on format z'.
On the other hand they still make a yearly Commander set, and just released modern horizons after years of X master sets. Wizards supports Eternal and non-rotating formats, they just do it with products that can sell. Hard to sell a proxy when they could just revoke the reserve list and sell a reprint.
Commander was a huge boon for Wizards, and is responsible for demand on all kinds of bizarre old cards.
Note: I'm not contradicting anything you said, I just feel like taking a step back and realizing, holy crap was EDH a boon for Wizards. I probably know as many commander-only players as I do limited/ standard players.
I occasionally play at a London community tournament that allows proxies, but they have to just be printed out paper in front of a basic land or token or whatever. It was quite useful in the early days when my only substantial legacy possession was a playset of FoW as it allowed me to play my deck a bunch and know that I enjoyed the format and would be worth buying volcanic islands.
Never been to a shop-organised event that allowed them though, but I'd be fine with it even though I have spent the money myself, I prefer to just see more people playing.
All this said though, there are still tons of legacy players that show up to every GP just to play in a bunch of side events. It's not the format isn't popular, just that good-sized events seem to be few and far between.
In pipe dream land, WotC would run a Legacy premiere series where players submit decklists ahead of time and get a newly printed copy of their deck with a different (but similar) card back. The deck is not legal for anything other than the one tournament. Then, the player gets to keep the printed deck.
Suddenly, I can play a $5,000 deck in a tournament for, maybe, $100 or $150 and get to keep the deck in proxy form.
I'd be down with that. Certainly would beat playing Burn and/or manaless dredge which are my current decks, due purely to price.
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