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    Re: reserved list crumbling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Humphrey View Post
    no but i think field is actually an upgrade and makes legendary duals much more reasonable. which would also fit perfectly into some sort of commander masters
    Field is better in some situations and worse in others. Field can be forced to sacrifice it to itself and ETB tapped (slows down your curve), but it can sacrifice lands you've already used and also has hexproof.

    also shocks happened long ago, before they tightened the reserved iirc
    Shocks were printed in Ravnica block (2005-2006). The Reserved List was created in 1996 (after Chronicles annoyed collectors) and ended with Masques block, with the list finalized in 2002. Long before shocks.

    Shocks were designed as a way to reintroduce basic land-typed duals into Extended in a way that was functionally different enough to respect the Reserved List and also powered down enough to be fairer. They only promised no functional reprints or new cards that completely invalidate the old ones. They have printed other cards that are functionally similar but fit into a different niche (e.g. Hypergenesis vs Eureka, despite the fact that Hypergenesis was more competitively viable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Field is better in some situations and worse in others. Field can be forced to sacrifice it to itself and ETB tapped (slows down your curve), but it can sacrifice lands you've already used and also has hexproof.



    Shocks were printed in Ravnica block (2005-2006). The Reserved List was created in 1996 (after Chronicles annoyed collectors) and ended with Masques block, with the list finalized in 2002. Long before shocks.

    Shocks were designed as a way to reintroduce basic land-typed duals into Extended in a way that was functionally different enough to respect the Reserved List and also powered down enough to be fairer. They only promised no functional reprints or new cards that completely invalidate the old ones. They have printed other cards that are functionally similar but fit into a different niche (e.g. Hypergenesis vs Eureka, despite the fact that Hypergenesis was more competitively viable).
    I think he meant that shocks were created before the crack down on the reserve list loopholes. Like the FTV and duel deck foils
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    Re: reserved list crumbling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I think he meant that shocks were created before the crack down on the reserve list loopholes. Like the FTV and duel deck foils
    I think the most recent Modern Masters set shows how Wizards wants to address the Reserved list. They are printing "fixed" versions of older cards that are made to fit into their Modern format. Just like the Field vs Vale example; look at all of the "fixed" cards they have release this set. It shows that they know what they are trying to accomplish and how they want to move forward.

    We also just received fetch-able slow cycling dual lands that no one really acknowledges. It is only a matter of time until a "fixed" dual comes out that is a little too aggressive and the reserved list criers will have their day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lavafrogg View Post
    We also just received fetch-able slow cycling dual lands that no one really acknowledges. It is only a matter of time until a "fixed" dual comes out that is a little too aggressive and the reserved list criers will have their day.
    Because they're largely unplayable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavafrogg View Post
    I think the most recent Modern Masters set shows how Wizards wants to address the Reserved list. They are printing "fixed" versions of older cards that are made to fit into their Modern format. Just like the Field vs Vale example; look at all of the "fixed" cards they have release this set. It shows that they know what they are trying to accomplish and how they want to move forward.

    We also just received fetch-able slow cycling dual lands that no one really acknowledges. It is only a matter of time until a "fixed" dual comes out that is a little too aggressive and the reserved list criers will have their day.
    I think they are way more likely to release commander specific duals (cipt unless your commander is in the command zone or something) than snow or legendary duals, that is the only market segment they care about that wants cheaper duals. It allows them to print something that is more or less equivalent where they care (commander) but still inferior to regular duals and useless outside of that specific format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    I think they are way more likely to release commander specific duals (cipt unless your commander is in the command zone or something) than snow or legendary duals, that is the only market segment they care about that wants cheaper duals. It allows them to print something that is more or less equivalent where they care (commander) but still inferior to regular duals and useless outside of that specific format.
    They have no interest in making cheaper duals for commander. There is an overabbundance of passable dual lands that are cheap that they could put in the decks, but they don't. Instead we get the CIPT lands every single cycle, because "buy better lands" is an easy way to get people to spend money upgrading their deck.

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    Theyre more likely to complete cycles than print new ones. Those duals from battlebond, I think, that checks for basics... theyre more likely to do enemy colour those duals than make something new, like if you have 4 snow permanents or something weird.

    I would love for duals to come down in price, but I doubt itd ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schweinefettmann View Post
    I would love for duals to come down in price, but I doubt itd ever happen.
    It depends on the time frame we're talking about, and I don't know what the future trend is, but duals have actually come down quite a bit since their high.

    They reached a high in June 2018 and since then:

    Badlands has gone from $254 in June 2018 to $194 today
    Bayou from $325 to $241
    Plateau from $143 to $111
    Savannah from $183 to $131
    Scrubland from $193 to $140
    Taiga from $168 to $139
    Tropical Island from $336 to $210
    Tundra from $327 to $273
    Underground Sea from $699 to $444
    Volcanic Island from $497 to $368

    Data from "low" prices on MTGStocks

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    Re: reserved list crumbling?

    i think this was mainly due to the mass speculation that was occurring around that time. cards did overall go up (it was kind of expected for USEA to be around 300-400) then it jumped to 600, and now it's back down somewhere in between.
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    It's just a bit of spiking behaviour in an overall upwards trend, happens in all kinds of markets. But the long-term is that duals will keep on going up with the occasional price spike which you could do well out of if you time it right.

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    Re: reserved list crumbling?

    Quote Originally Posted by LOLWut View Post
    They reached a high in June 2018 and since then:
    The pro tour included legacy in August 2018 with team trio constructed, which likely had a significant impact on dual prices. Ironically that was also when Death's Shadow took off in popularity and allowed players to include copies of Watery Grave alongside Underground Sea.
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