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    Re: Throne of Eldraine Spoilers

    If we're going to keep printing rainbow Fetchlands (though this one is only pseudo-fast), we should probably just unban DRS b/c apparently wotc has no interest in putting downsides into 4-5c goodstuff manabases.

    The only redeeming thing about Vista and pseudo-Vista is that the next time Deserts come around, we can expect a Desert-Fetch in addition to payable Desertcycling. They previously killed this possibility by putting fast colored mana on them; but since we're already doing the Vista stuff, apparently omni-Fetch issues and the sanctity of the color wheel don't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    If we're going to keep printing rainbow Fetchlands (though this one is only pseudo-fast), we should probably just unban DRS b/c apparently wotc has no interest in putting downsides into 4-5c goodstuff manabases.

    The only redeeming thing about Vista and pseudo-Vista is that the next time Deserts come around, we can expect a Desert-Fetch in addition to payable Desertcycling. They previously killed this possibility by putting fast colored mana on them; but since we're already doing the Vista stuff, apparently omni-Fetch issues and the sanctity of the color wheel don't matter.
    You're acting like every fetch wasn't an omni-fetch with duals or shocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    You're acting like every fetch wasn't an omni-fetch with duals or shocks.
    Those are less offensive b/c Wasteland is a card which interacts with that behaviour.

    The main issue with DRS was that you couldn't really interact with greedy mana if DRS was in their opening hand. These decks can play just as greedy on colors without DRS now b/c they can hide behind uninteractive basics from the start of a game, into cards like Astrolabe and Wrenn. There should be an increasing downside to mana stability as more colors are added, but cards like Vista negate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Strictly worse Prismatic Vista. Yeah!
    Strictly better Evolving Wilds, which is good for 4-color and 5-color Commander where you don't care about ETB tapped on turn 1 but don't want ETB tapped on turn 4-8.

    Also, green pseudo-removal:



    How does this compare to Beast Within?
    The comparison point is Lignify. 3/3 beast is still a threat, while 0/4 Treefolk is not, but drawing a card is good. Seems strong with blink effects where you can move the enchantment to different things and draw more cards.

    inb4 Marit Lage: The aura doesn't have flash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    It's hardly comparable. This draws a card, is one mana cheaper and only hits creatures (at sorcery speed)

    Beast Within doesn't draw a card, hits any permanent, costs a mana more, is instant

    The only thing these cards share is their color and the Power/Toughness.
    I can't tell if this was a mistake or you're a comedy genius!

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    I think we have a winner!



    Land - Island

    ~ enters the battlefield tapped unless you control three or more other Islands.

    When ~ enters the battlefield untapped, you may put a instant or sorcery card at top of your library from graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    I think we have a winner!



    Land - Island

    ~ enters the battlefield tapped unless you control three or more other Islands.

    When ~ enters the battlefield untapped, you may put a instant or sorcery card at top of your library from graveyard.
    Ban CB, unban SDT - it's time to troll Storm with this new land and onboard draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    I think we have a winner!



    Land - Island

    ~ enters the battlefield tapped unless you control three or more other Islands.

    When ~ enters the battlefield untapped, you may put a instant or sorcery card at top of your library from graveyard.
    Fetchable reload for terminus... Fun (not)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    The comparison point is Lignify. 3/3 beast is still a threat, while 0/4 Treefolk is not, but drawing a card is good. Seems strong with blink effects where you can move the enchantment to different things and draw more cards.

    inb4 Marit Lage: The aura doesn't have flash.
    I don't like it. The card draw is really good but if you're running Lignify then you want to be able to answer creatures and you don't have access to Abrupt Decay, Assassin's Trophy, StP, or well anything else. At that point the 3 power is probably relevant.

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    Re: Throne of Eldraine Spoilers



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    Re: Throne of Eldraine Spoilers

    Of course the blue land is the best one. Also pretty dumb with Ancestral Recall or Time Walk if you can chain it via fetches.



    This one seems like one of the more managable alternate wincons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Of course the blue land is the best one. Also pretty dumb with Ancestral Recall or Time Walk if you can chain it via fetches....
    I was expecting someone Gush about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Those are less offensive b/c Wasteland is a card which interacts with that behaviour.

    The main issue with DRS was that you couldn't really interact with greedy mana if DRS was in their opening hand. These decks can play just as greedy on colors without DRS now b/c they can hide behind uninteractive basics from the start of a game, into cards like Astrolabe and Wrenn. There should be an increasing downside to mana stability as more colors are added, but cards like Vista negate that.
    Does 4c even play Vista? And that was not the problem with DRS. If DRS only had the ramping ability it would never have been banned. The problem was DRS had all three abilities at once and could be cast from an USea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Of course the blue land is the best one. Also pretty dumb with Ancestral Recall or Time Walk if you can chain it via fetches.



    This one seems like one of the more managable alternate wincons.
    It's the ultimate win-more:
    If, you have all permanant types, and are ahead on life, and have every color of permanant... You win!
    ...How did you not win before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I was expecting someone Gush about it.
    Unlikely anyone will, since Narset exists and Gush is restricted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    It's the ultimate win-more:
    If, you have all permanant types, and are ahead on life, and have every color of permanant... You win!
    ...How did you not win before?
    These sorts of things are usually edh wincons more than anything for 60 card formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Unlikely anyone will, since Narset exists and Gush is restricted.
    Narset is starting to become Doom Blade meme like.

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    Re: Throne of Eldraine Spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasDowd View Post
    Narset is starting to become Doom Blade meme like.
    Lord knows I've seen like, next to zero Brainstorms and Ponders in any games since. Been nothing but Sleight of Hand and Storm Crow. One guy tried playing Opt and we laughed him out of the store, haven't seen him since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    Lord knows I've seen like, next to zero Brainstorms and Ponders in any games since. Been nothing but Sleight of Hand and Storm Crow. One guy tried playing Opt and we laughed him out of the store, haven't seen him since.

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    Re: Throne of Eldraine Spoilers

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    Englished
    How does blue get that and green gets a food token . . .

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