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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    Haven't followed the format much since Pioneer started, but turned on the modern teams stream to see what's going on.



    Is it as bad right now as this makes it look? Oko ban incoming? Urza ban incoming? Is this just a fluke?

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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition View Post
    Haven't followed the format much since Pioneer started, but turned on the modern teams stream to see what's going on.



    Is it as bad right now as this makes it look? Oko ban incoming? Urza ban incoming? Is this just a fluke?
    The ban will probably come someday. It's overpowered and over-represented.

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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    SCG Open in Knoxville had 4 Urza Oko decks in t8. I'm pretty sure this will continue until some action is taken. Whether the format can adapt is open for debate. More importantly, is there enough of a player base that still cares about Modern to work on adapting?

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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    So, I guess I'm right on time, lol.

    Oko, Opal, and Mycosynth Lattice banned in Modern today.
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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    Oko and Opal make sense. Lattice just seems so weird to me. Yeah "it isn't fun to be locked out of the game" but it's a 2 card, 10 mana combo (4 and 6, so not even spread out terribly much, or at least still significant investments) where it's susceptible to both artifact and walker hate. If decks getting it too fast is a problem, ban one of the Tron lands, they're they engine to abuse the payoff.

    If you want to talk about not having fun playing Modern, why don't we ban Nexus of Fate or one of the pieces of Cryptic Command plus Mystic Sanctuary. Both of those lock you out of the game but in a much more miserable "guess I'll see if they can actually kill me but still not get to play for 15 turns." Like if someone gets Karn + lattice down, it's an insta kill if you don't have a response. You don't have to sit miserably for 20 turns watching someone play with themselves, you can just scoop. Unfun being a banning point is way too subjective. Not a fan of how they're doing things at WotC in regards to Modern.
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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition View Post
    Oko and Opal make sense. Lattice just seems so weird to me. Yeah "it isn't fun to be locked out of the game" but it's a 2 card, 10 mana combo (4 and 6, so not even spread out terribly much, or at least still significant investments) where it's susceptible to both artifact and walker hate. If decks getting it too fast is a problem, ban one of the Tron lands, they're they engine to abuse the payoff.

    If you want to talk about not having fun playing Modern, why don't we ban Nexus of Fate or one of the pieces of Cryptic Command plus Mystic Sanctuary. Both of those lock you out of the game but in a much more miserable "guess I'll see if they can actually kill me but still not get to play for 15 turns." Like if someone gets Karn + lattice down, it's an insta kill if you don't have a response. You don't have to sit miserably for 20 turns watching someone play with themselves, you can just scoop. Unfun being a banning point is way too subjective. Not a fan of how they're doing things at WotC in regards to Modern.
    I suppose Karn + lattice was putting up more results than Cryptic + nexus + mystic sanctuary! :)

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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylert View Post
    I suppose Karn + lattice was putting up more results than Cryptic + nexus + mystic sanctuary! :)
    That's generous to assume, but not at all stated. Whereas they specifically talk about win rates for other cards.

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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    I have seriously lost almost all interest in Modern as a format, honestly. RL cards are dropping in price over the past few months so it's getting even easier to commit resources to that format and play what I want. It's only a matter of time until some other card rears it's ugly head and gets banned. The root problem of Modern doesn't seem to ever go away.
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    Re: Modern Post-Hogaak

    DTB - January 2020

    https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=24420&f=MO

    Looks like without Oko/Opal that Mono-Red Prowess is legitimately the best deck. The GWx "Company" deck is making a resurgence, with the help of Once Upon a Time and some amount of SFM/equips. Humans are making a decent comeback, drifting back into tier 2 alongside stalwart Tron decks. Noticably absent from the list is Grixis Death's Shadow, which seems to be in a slump.

    Format still looks boring to me, but we'll see how it shakes out over the next couple months. I at least enjoy looking at the mtgtop8 data, and sharing it with anyone at TheSource that still follows modern.
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