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    New Format announced - Pioneer

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    Starts with Return to Ravnica. The interesting part - nothing is banned, except fetches:



    So WotC might have realized that fetches are a core problem, after all.

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    Re: New Format announced - Pioneer

    Why do I see a new format and my first thought is "Am I in an abusive relationship?"
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    So now we will have Pioneer on MTGO and Historic on Arena.

    I'm actually not at all bothered by this, honestly. I think one of the best things about Magic is how many formats there can be. It just depends on if this one is really "worth" playing. That I don't know, but I don't dismiss the idea of it, a priori.
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    Re: New Format announced - Pioneer

    *groan*

    I don't hate this, but the precedent it sets is frustrating... So every 15-18 years we'll have a new non-rotating format that everyone will incorrectly call Eternal?

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    Re: New Format announced - Pioneer

    Soooooo happy that fetches are banned.

    Interesting to see if DRS ends up overpowered without any good fetches to go with it.

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    How aggravating! Just one more block back and my modern deck would have been legal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew View Post
    *groan*

    I don't hate this, but the precedent it sets is frustrating... So every 15-18 years we'll have a new non-rotating format that everyone will incorrectly call Eternal?
    Well, yeah, probably.

    I think that we (the collective "we," that is) thought, in the past, that "non-rotating" formats (Eternal or not) would be every expanding endeavors. While that is true, in the sense of "raw" card-pool, the actually "playable" card-pool is actually constrictive, because the power-level is always rising.

    That is to say, the cards you would realistically want to play are always the best of the best cards, which means, as the prospective card pool grows, what actually constitutes the "best of the best" gets smaller. In other words, outliers stand out more in a larger pool, rather than the opposite.


    On a different note, someone elsewhere pointed out that DDT and TC are legal in this format.

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    Well . . . lets look at the modern ban list . . . which cards would still need to be banned in the new format? I don't see which cards (from the sets that will be legal) won't be safe to unban without repeating modern?

    Actually it's not too bad only the following would be "unbanned" compared to Modern:

    Chrome Mox
    Deathrite Shaman
    Dig Through Time
    Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
    Treasure Cruise

    They all deal with the same mechanic (except the mox) which is Delve/Graveyard filling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    On a different note, someone elsewhere pointed out that DDT and TC are legal in this format.
    Y'know, legal as in legal until it's banned.

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    Re: New Format announced - Pioneer

    This is the list of cards from those sets that have been banned somewhere.

    Smugglers Copter
    Treasure Cruise
    Dig Through Time
    Deathrite Shaman
    Aetherworks Marvel
    Reflector Mage
    Attune with Aether,
    Rogue Refiner
    Ramunap Ruins
    Rampaging Ferocidon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unlif3 View Post
    Y'know, legal as in legal until it's banned.
    Well, yeah! For all the anti-Fetchland sorts, this format ought to be something worth taking note of.

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    Well . . . lets look at the modern ban list . . . which cards would still need to be banned in the new format? I don't see which cards (from the sets that will be legal) won't be safe to unban without repeating modern?
    Perhaps this is Wizard's "test" of how big the anti-Fetch market is? That is, people who hate Fetches or just don't want/can't afford them. While also seeing just how much it "fuels" other cards, like the Delve spells and DRS?
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    Right off the bat. Treasure Cruise and Dig need to be gone. There are plenty of ways to abuse this. These cards have proven to be too powerful in any format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReAnimator View Post
    This is the list of cards from those sets that have been banned somewhere.

    Smugglers Copter
    Treasure Cruise
    Dig Through Time
    Deathrite Shaman
    Aetherworks Marvel
    Reflector Mage
    Attune with Aether,
    Rogue Refiner
    Ramunap Ruins
    Rampaging Ferocidon
    Field of the dead
    Felidar Guardian
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    I think you forgot Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, and also not sure if Chrome Mox counts since it was a masterpiece in Kaladesh? Is it legal in this format?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    I think you forgot Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, and also not sure if Chrome Mox counts since it was a masterpiece in Kaladesh? Is it legal in this format?
    Hogaak was in Modern Masters, it's not legal in this format. And Expedition/Masterpieces don't give a card legality in a format unless it's "main" set prints do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Hogaak was in Modern Masters, it's not legal in this format. And Expedition/Masterpieces don't give a card legality in a format unless it's "main" set prints do.
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    Re: New Format announced - Pioneer

    Upon further thought, this is probably bad for Legacy. Most of the coverage for Legacy is in SCG Team Trios and we also get decklists from their Classics. But Pioneer is likely to take Legacy's place in those events...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rood View Post
    Right off the bat. Treasure Cruise and Dig need to be gone. There are plenty of ways to abuse this. These cards have proven to be too powerful in any format.
    Out of curiosity, I am wondering how to abuse them with no fetch lands and no good cantrips? I feel like you'll need to run:

    To approximate Fetches you can maybe run:

    Evolving Wilds
    Fabled Passage
    Prismatic Vista
    Terramorphic Expanse

    Best remaining cantrips would be . . . ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew View Post
    Upon further thought, this is probably bad for Legacy. Most of the coverage for Legacy is in SCG Team Trios and we also get decklists from their Classics. But Pioneer is likely to take Legacy's place in those events...
    Well, maybe? I don't know, it's hard to say if anyone really wants that.

    I mean, I'm sure Wizards does, so how hard to do they push it? Then again, most "Pro" Magic player do not like Legacy, so maybe they do want this to be the case.

    But I don't think that is necessarily bad for Legacy. "Official support" is not "saving" us. We either save our format, or let it die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Well . . . lets look at the modern ban list . . . which cards would still need to be banned in the new format? I don't see which cards (from the sets that will be legal) won't be safe to unban without repeating modern?

    Actually it's not too bad only the following would be "unbanned" compared to Modern:

    Chrome Mox
    Deathrite Shaman
    Dig Through Time
    Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
    Treasure Cruise

    They all deal with the same mechanic (except the mox) which is Delve/Graveyard filling.
    Supplemental sets weren't included, so chrome mox and hogaak don't make the pool.

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