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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour_Asses View Post
    You are certainly most welcome.

    Although truly it is I, sir, who should be thanking you. Not only for your incredible insight, but also for the amazingly cerebral and well thought out manner in which you have delivered your responses. You honor me.

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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

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    What's the relevance of them being lands?

    I see similar discussions among standard players, especially on Arena, saying "I can't believe I have to spend rare wildcards on lands". But lands are probably the most fundamental part of a deck and the most flexible cards. If you're gonna spend on anything, good land should be the thing you're more willing to spend money on than any of the other stuff which is usually more limited in application.
    There's nothing "cool" about lands. If someone is paying a premium for something, they want it to have some visceral impact. Producing 2 differnt (edited) colors of mana doesn't have that in the same way that, say, Emrakul does. Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos have more shock value for a player than Volcanic Island

    EDIT: tl;dr, dual lands don't have a big, splashy effect so it throws people off when guildgates that come in untapped are over $100 each

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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Watersaw View Post
    There's nothing "cool" about lands. If someone is paying a premium for something, they want it to have some visceral impact. Producing 2 differnt (edited) colors of mana doesn't have that in the same way that, say, Emrakul does. Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos have more shock value for a player than Volcanic Island

    EDIT: tl;dr, dual lands don't have a big, splashy effect so it throws people off when guildgates that come in untapped are over $100 each
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    it's like American football. Nobody is excited to see their team draft or spend big money on an offensive lineman instead of a speedy wide receiver or an insanely talented running back, but the line is the foundation of consistency and dictates your ability to execute plays properly
    Also you can use your linemen to create new teams without paying any money.

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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    Although the petition site is web cancer, I did my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Keller View Post
    Lands are required to play Magic games - for the most part. They’re an essential part of optimal deck building. Duals are synonymous with Legacy and Vintage.

    Dropping ten or fifteen bucks a shock to play Modern versus 400 for a land in Legacy is a huge problem.
    Sure but they're also the core of every deck and useable in multiple decks, so why does them being lands matter specifically in regards to cost? If anything, surely the lands should reasonably be the most expensive bit as they're the most essential and flexible cards you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour_Asses View Post
    You are certainly most welcome.

    Although truly it is I, sir, who should be thanking you. Not only for your incredible insight, but also for the amazingly cerebral and well thought out manner in which you have delivered your responses. You honor me.
    He's proven he's incapable of polite or sensible discussion. He wants to play legacy for less than the price of a cup of coffee. You're wasting time engaging with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    He's proven he's incapable of polite or sensible discussion. He wants to play legacy for less than the price of a cup of coffee. You're wasting time engaging with him.
    Hahaha yeah I might've noticed that. I may just be entertaining myself at this point.

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    He's proven he's incapable of polite or sensible discussion. He wants to play legacy for less than the price of a cup of coffee. You're wasting time engaging with him.
    Oh no, the guy who would rather hold cards than play with them is mad at me.

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    Sign the petition!


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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    I am not going to sign:

    - Not having all wanted/needed cards immediately available is exactly the way Magic has been intended to be played. Players are expected to trade cards and play for prizes/bets/ante, try various things and tune their decks in the process gradually.

    - Deckbuilding on RL cards isn't a must, it's only an option. From my experience I can create decks and play eternal formats without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Dwarf View Post
    I am not going to sign:

    - Not having all wanted/needed cards immediately available is exactly the way Magic has been intended to be played. Players are expected to trade cards and play for prizes/bets/ante, try various things and tune their decks in the process gradually.

    - Deckbuilding on RL cards isn't a must, it's only an option. From my experience I can create decks and play eternal formats without them.
    What's your record with white suspend aggro control? Post yer list.

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    Make a petition to allow proxies on official legacy tournaments and il sign, chances are much higher WoTC goes with that, solves the problem for the newer players, helps older players too, keeps RL intact, every1 happy win/win
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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Emurian View Post
    Make a petition to allow proxies on official legacy tournaments and il sign, chances are much higher WoTC goes with that, solves the problem for the newer players, helps older players too, keeps RL intact, every1 happy win/win
    Aah, Vintage 2.0. We all know how that ends.

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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    What's your record with white suspend aggro control? Post yer list.
    Does the AI opponent count? If so, my guess is about 80%, mainly vs Miracles and BUG_Delver.
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    Yeah suspend is really strong into opposing Teferi.

    Reserve List abolishing would be quite nice; would allow Dual land reprints and Fetchland ban. Immediately unbans DRS and Dig; but can't really unban Cruise b/c of single requirement on it (too easy to cheese with Fireblast as gain 3 mana).

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    Re: Abolish the Reserve List Petition

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsOneHorsesuit
    What's your record with white suspend aggro control? Post yer list.
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    Does the AI opponent count? If so, my guess is about 80%, mainly vs Miracles and BUG_Delver.
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    Seems like the trolls and RL hoarders are some of the last people left on The Source. What a shame.

    I'd rather see my Tabernacle drop to 10€ (spoiler: it won't, even with the fall of the RL...not even with an actual reprint) than to not have Legacy at my FNM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDK View Post
    Seems like the trolls and RL hoarders are some of the last people left on The Source. What a shame.

    I'd rather see my Tabernacle drop to 10€ (spoiler: it won't, even with the fall of the RL...not even with an actual reprint) than to not have Legacy at my FNM.
    Exactly.

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