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    Hey everyone! Guess what? I picked up another winner at the card shop today! So who wants to play another round of Which Card is the Counterfeit?

    #1,#2, #3 or #4?




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    Re: How to save Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    Hey everyone! Guess what? I picked up another winner at the card shop today! So who wants to play another round of Which Card is the Counterfeit?

    #1,#2, #3 or #4?
    Second card the hologram is off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Water_Wizard View Post
    Second card the hologram is off.
    The alignment of all 4 holograms are clearly inconsistent: what kind of tolerance do you consider acceptable?

    Similarly, with respect to that Meditate, I went through my collection and quickly found 2 copies of Impulse from Visions, which
    a) Is from a similar era as Meditate
    b) Had similar issues across both copies in terms of colour balance and alignment of the different frames/layers
    c) Is not a reserved list rare and is actually a worthless common

    If you want to demonstrate the quality of fakes then you need to have copies of fake cards you have obtained directly from the source. (I.e. the counterfeiters themselves, not "the source" this forum)

    Just taking random cards you own and putting them under a microscope and saying "hey look at this barely perceptible difference, this card must be fake" isn't convincing, because at a certain level of precision even the legitimate printing process will have some variation.

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    I've got a fake Wall of Heat from Legends, and I can tell because the shadow on the text was misaligned.

    I've seen a quad of fake Worldspine Wurms that flexed more than a single real card from RtR.

    I pulled some fake cards from a Battle for Zendikar pack: they're all pink, regardless of the color of their mana symbols.

    I've got some fake Rishadan Ports that have gold borders. They've also got the wrong back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce View Post
    I've got a fake Wall of Heat from Legends, and I can tell because the shadow on the text was misaligned.

    I've seen a quad of fake Worldspine Wurms that flexed more than a single real card from RtR.

    I pulled some fake cards from a Battle for Zendikar pack: they're all pink, regardless of the color of their mana symbols.

    I've got some fake Rishadan Ports that have gold borders. They've also got the wrong back!

    I'll sell any of these to any interested buyer for $500.
    Sold!

    for $5.00

  6. #186

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    Hey everyone! Guess what? I picked up another winner at the card shop today! So who wants to play another round of Which Card is the Counterfeit?
    You "picked" up a winner? By that you mean you ripped off some poor kid, telling him his perfectly fine and very expensive Magic card is fake and you have to seize it for scientific reasons? Threatening him with gulag if he won't comply?

    All 4 are clearly fake! I don't even have to zoom in. They are all fake! Hope you didn't pay a lot for them.

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    The two English were 80 yuan each, the Japanese was 70 yuan and the Chinese was 60 yuan.

    If I picked up 4 fetches from a kid, they probably ARE fake. Right beside the 80 revised dual lands in their trade binder.

    The Tempest symbol on the fake Meditate is also wrong.

    If you do a simple search for "counterfeit magic cards" you can find a lot of information.
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    Re: How to save Legacy

    i looked at my meditates and they are very similar to yours. i'd say both of yours are real.
    also, i was a commercial graphic artist in the printing industry for 25 years. i even ran a printing press (ABDICK9810).
    printing irregularities happen all the time (charlie brown sapphire medallion?).
    the press-room foreman where i worked, lost a fingertip in the press and we didin't even stop the press; shiitte happens all the time..

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    Some of you are in denial about the existence of hq fakes even despite the evidence that I've posted and that you can find elsewhere.

    It's hard to imagine that mtgsalvation users are better informed about this than mtgthesource users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    Some of you are in denial about the existence of hq fakes even despite the evidence that I've posted and that you can find elsewhere.

    It's hard to imagine that mtgsalvation users are better informed about this than mtgthesource users.
    Yes... Evidence...

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    I'm trying to picture how this all works in a game. . .

    Turn 1 - your opponent plays a Volcanic Island
    In response you claim its a fake
    They claim its real
    You pull out your loupe
    They pull out their authentication papers
    You get Eddie the local art forgery expert to claim its a fake
    They call Pawn Stars and fly them in to verify it is real
    A judge is called to hear the opposing evidence
    The lawyers rush over to present their motions
    The evidentiary hearing is fast tracked through the system
    You're now flying to London for arbitration.
    Opponent casts brainstorm.
    You cast Force of Will targeting brainstorm.
    Pass the turn.

    Sounds like a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    I'm trying to picture how this all works in a game. . .

    Turn 1 - your opponent plays a Volcanic Island
    In response you claim its a fake
    They claim its real
    You pull out your loupe
    They pull out their authentication papers
    You get Eddie the local art forgery expert to claim its a fake
    They call Pawn Stars and fly them in to verify it is real
    A judge is called to hear the opposing evidence
    The lawyers rush over to present their motions
    The evidentiary hearing is fast tracked through the system
    You're now flying to London for arbitration.
    Opponent casts brainstorm.
    You cast Force of Will targeting brainstorm.
    Pass the turn.

    Sounds like a blast.
    Nah, it's for when you're trading

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    I'm trying to picture how this all works in a game. . .

    Turn 1 - your opponent plays a Volcanic Island
    In response you claim its a fake
    They claim its real
    You pull out your loupe
    They pull out their authentication papers
    You get Eddie the local art forgery expert to claim its a fake
    They call Pawn Stars and fly them in to verify it is real
    A judge is called to hear the opposing evidence
    The lawyers rush over to present their motions
    The evidentiary hearing is fast tracked through the system
    You're now flying to London for arbitration.
    Opponent casts brainstorm.
    You cast Force of Will targeting brainstorm.
    Pass the turn.

    Sounds like a blast.
    Now that is a tournament report worth reading.

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    Some of you are in denial about the existence of hq fakes even despite the evidence that I've posted and that you can find elsewhere.

    It's hard to imagine that mtgsalvation users are better informed about this than mtgthesource users.
    no, not in denial.
    good lighting, a loupe and a reference card(s) will go a long way to spot fakes.

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    Someone, please curb this idiocy.

    Nobody can tell a fake from 10,000 miles away based on blurred photographs and the conviction of the photographer.

    Nobody can demonstrate that fake RL cards will do anything one way or the other to/for the game, and not everyone who bought a dual within the last ten years purchased stolen goods.

    Nobody here is saving Legacy.
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    I am tired of malicious top 8s and it is time to put an end to the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    Some of you are in denial about the existence of hq fakes even despite the evidence that I've posted and that you can find elsewhere.

    It's hard to imagine that mtgsalvation users are better informed about this than mtgthesource users.
    There may or may not be evidence elsewhere but whatever you have posted so far certainly doesn't qualify

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiazhouhuaqiao View Post
    The two English were 80 yuan each, the Japanese was 70 yuan and the Chinese was 60 yuan.
    Wow, this is rather expensive. ~7-10 dollars each? You could've gotten authentic cards for that amount.

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    I'm trying to picture how this all works in a game. . .

    Turn 1 - your opponent plays a Volcanic Island
    In response you claim its a fake
    They claim its real
    You pull out your loupe
    They pull out their authentication papers
    You get Eddie the local art forgery expert to claim its a fake
    They call Pawn Stars and fly them in to verify it is real
    A judge is called to hear the opposing evidence
    The lawyers rush over to present their motions
    The evidentiary hearing is fast tracked through the system
    You're now flying to London for arbitration.
    Opponent casts brainstorm.
    You cast Force of Will targeting brainstorm.
    Pass the turn.

    Sounds like a blast.
    Lol! Stephen Menendian will finally win tournaments again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzlenasty View Post
    Wow, this is rather expensive. ~7-10 dollars each? You could've gotten authentic cards for that amount.
    I thought you were being sarcastic. Only the Japanese one is fake as far as I can tell.

    Ofcourse I'm a pretty terrible judge of authenticity if I can't even tell between sarcasm and sincerity.

    This is all very PKD/ MitHC, and/or Benjamin's Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction.

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    Re: How to save Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Turn 1 - your opponent plays a Volcanic Island
    In response you claim its a fake
    They claim its real
    You pull out your loupe
    They pull out their authentication papers
    You get Eddie the local art forgery expert to claim its a fake
    They call Pawn Stars and fly them in to verify it is real
    A judge is called to hear the opposing evidence
    The lawyers rush over to present their motions
    The evidentiary hearing is fast tracked through the system
    You're now flying to London for arbitration.
    Opponent casts brainstorm.
    You cast Force of Will targeting brainstorm.
    Pass the turn.
    that ^^ stack interaction is still better than watching a miracles player counterbalance/top masturbation...

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