IDK if it works, but it can't reduce the cost to zero so can't work in a Fluctuator deck.Originally Posted by the Thin White Duke
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That still won't stop me from building another Slide deck.
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I've got a thread up in new and development for a red/white slide deck with a fast clock, minor disruption, and combo outs.
I imagine so, there were RUG decks than ran Taiga and Plataeu to T2 power up Kird Ape and Wild Nacatl before, no need for four colours. I'm not saying it''s great or anything, but it's definately interesting.
Why does your Wild Nacatl need specific colors while mine fixes colors? Seems bad.
How are you all breaking Song of Creation in Legacy? I’m goldfishing it in a deck with Orcish Lumberjack and Titania because I like the idea of being able to combo and play your deck on turn 3 or win through combat with endless 5/3 tokens. I’m sure it’s not the best use of Song of Creation but it calls to me.
The cards I’m using are:
Orcish Lumberjack
Exploration
Lotus Cobra
GSZ
Song of Creation
Mox Diamond (with Song, draw 2 and *then* decide whether to pitch a land)
Crop Rotation
Life from the Loam
Titania, Protector of Argoth
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
Toolbox for Crop Rotation (incl. 1x Tireless Tracker)
Toolbox for GSZ
1x Need for Speed (so you win on the same turn you draw your deck)
It’s fun to combo out because you often get to draw the deck and win with huge hasty creatures, but even if the combo fizzles out, you can pass the turn with a crazy board position and various forms of permanent-based disruption active (Wasteland, Bojuka Bog, Leovold, Scooze) to offset the loss of your hand. And starting your next turn with an empty hand is OK because you have Clue tokens in play and/or Loam in your GY. That is, it’s worse than storm combo but more exciting than storm combo, and an actual advantage in comparison to storm combo is that you can combo incompletely and still win — it’s more of a snowball than a one-shot combo.
I posted in the thread on the New & Developmental section. It goldfishes on turn 1-2 casting 20 copies of Tendrils of Agony, or sometimes you "fizzle" and have to make 14 Goblin tokens or go off again next turn.
Playing through hate will be challenging, but it steamrolls anything without disruption.
Force of Will and Veil of Summer are both in there right? Seems like it should be pretty decent.
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For the heck of it, since the full set is spoiled now, excluding the Kaiju cards, what do folks think the risers and fallers will be price wise (with a Legacy impact).
Lurrus is at ~$7.50 now, I could see it rising, but since I like it, it's probably bad, and therefore will become cheaper. General opinions about any/other cards?
Monday is supposed to be a ban day so we'll find out tomorrow.
Am I just lazy or otherwise confused but I dont understand the Zirda combo lists here.
Zirda says that it cant target mana abilities so what are those Basalt and Grim Monolith reliable combo decks?
Tapping to add 3 to you mana pool is a mana ability, and Zirda has no cost reduction effects there, it's still "Tap: Add."
Untapping it is not a mana ability.
Monolith has 2 abilities:
1) T: Add 3
2) 3: Untap (or 4: Untap)
The first one is a mana ability. The second isn't. Reducing the cost of the 2nd one by 2 lets you tap and untap Monolith over and over to make infinite colorless mana.
Power Artifact has enabled the same combo for a while. That combo sees play in Commander sometimes. It wasn't Legacy viable because you need 3 pieces: Monolith + Power Artifact + some mana sink that wins the game when you have infinite mana.
The real perk with Zirda is it's a Power Artifact you can cast from the Companion Zone, with minimal deckbuilding constraints. Zirda's a free card. That reduces it to a 2-card combo (Monolith + win con), which is Legacy viable. The recent printing of Karn, the Great Creator also helps finding both Monolith and a wincon.
Also Zirda doesn't target Monolith, preventing 2-for-1s from widely-played Abrupt Decay that you can get with Power Artifact.
Oh I see. Not sure I like this companion thing at all..
Most of them are prohibitively expensive, or too weak to really build around. This one is notable because not only does it combo but it also can be played in the deck you're using it for. Unlike Lurrus (the CMC 2-or-less one) which is also powerful and enables combos, but you only get to run the one copy, so if they counter/path it it's over.
EDIT: Except for storm which it's basically a free +2 on any storm count, turning Tendrils into 8drils.
Just want to note that while I think there is supposed to be an announcement today, I think it was already stated that it is only about Lutri in Brawl.
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The otter is getting axed too I thought because in EDH it's an 8th card for all UR players?
EDIT: Lutri is the Otter's name, oops.
Yeah, Sheldon and company already banned the card in EDH before it was even announced, on the reveal stream it was shown and immediately noted that it was banned in Commander already.
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Aside from all the obviously broken combo stuff Ikoria has brought us, one thing caught my eye yesterday after seeing it doing some really dumb shit with tokens: Winota, Joiner of Forces
Sure, it was only Standard, but Legacy has some quality token producers as well, like Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor, that synergize perfectly with it. Maybe there are some applications in midrange decks.
Bonus points for Elks triggering it, too.
At least right now the "non-Human" clauses on all those cards work on any not-human creature type, so like, "human rogue"? Works.Aside from all the obviously broken combo stuff Ikoria has brought us, one thing caught my eye yesterday after seeing it doing some really dumb shit with tokens: Winota, Joiner of Forces
Sure, it was only Standard, but Legacy has some quality token producers as well, like Young Pyromancer or Monastery Mentor, that synergize perfectly with it. Maybe there are some applications in midrange decks.
Bonus points for Elks triggering it, too.
Also, just in general, fuck the goddamned companions. There are already three annoying as fuck decks in standard running them. It's impossible to play any kind of non-linear gameplan right now because there are at least a dozen axes of attack people can take, and the hate/answers for all of them is either absurdly slow or incredibly narrow.
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