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    Here's some gas. Just mix with Elves, mana artifacts (Astrolabe anyone) or the such!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post


    Here's some gas. Just mix with Elves, mana artifacts (Astrolabe anyone) or the such!
    T1: Mox Diamond, dude
    T2: Basalt Monolith, hard-cast Emrakul

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Because last set didn't get anything too busted,
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    T1: Mox Diamond, dude
    T2: Basalt Monolith, hard-cast Emrakul
    T1: Mox Diamond, Kinnan
    T2: Basalt Monolith, arbitrarily infinite Walking Ballista.

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    This thing will probably be busted with Moxes in Vintage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReAnimator View Post
    This thing will probably be busted with Moxes in Vintage.
    And how. BUG decks were already pretty good there, as it was.
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    And how. BUG decks were already pretty good there, as it was.
    Imagine if DRS was still legal with this.

    This card is going to do some dumb shit. And it's GSZable.

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    Alert! Alert! Fully Legacy playable cycling combo card!

    Well, maybe. It's in the right color to get ritualed out fast, but then you're either running a bunch of tutors and one cycling creature+Emrakul, or just a bunch of big Yidaro-type cycling dudes to pop out with this. Another option involves backup combos using Fluctuator/Zenith Blast/Concordia Crossroads to get out a bunch of guys and then haste kill someone. There's a lot of options here. You can also use Neutralize to cycle out counterspells if that's needed. Tons of possibilities here.

    The fact that you can specifically cycle into either instants or sorceries or enchantments and not just creatures is what really puts this over the top I think.
    The question is if it's any better than the Possibility Storm Adventure deck that already exists.

    This also pays 3RR for an enchantment that lets other cards in your hand auto-tutor for a wincon. It's a very similar mechanic. That deck can squeeze in more "tutors" (Adventure creatures don't count as sorceries when revealing cards but do on the stack), whereas this deck needs to get creative in order to cast something specific like Emrakul.

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Imagine if DRS was still legal with this.

    This card is going to do some dumb shit. And it's GSZable.
    Guess where DRS is still legal though and already seeing play? I am guessing this thing will only help there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Imagine if DRS was still legal with this.

    This card is going to do some dumb shit. And it's GSZable.
    It's a good thing Elves doesn't run GSZ to grab a non-Elf creature.

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    It's a good thing Elves doesn't run GSZ to grab a non-Elf creature.
    The only "good news" is that they can't Symbiote this thing to protect it. But Elves wasn't too bad lately, I think at least 2 were in the top 8 of the last Challenge, already in UG for Oko, of course.
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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Guess where DRS is still legal though and already seeing play? I am guessing this thing will only help there.
    It's legal in Vintage, obviously. I was talking about Legacy. Maybe I should have been more clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    The only "good news" is that they can't Symbiote this thing to protect it. But Elves wasn't too bad lately, I think at least 2 were in the top 8 of the last Challenge, already in UG for Oko, of course.
    This + Oko gives lots of incentive to go UG. I wonder how relevant the 7 mana ability going to be and how often it's going to dig up a Craterhoof.

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    It's legal in Vintage, obviously. I was talking about Legacy. Maybe I should have been more clear.
    I know, I was just continuing the line of thought from ReAnimator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    This + Oko gives lots of incentive to go UG. I wonder how relevant the 7 mana ability going to be and how often it's going to dig up a Craterhoof.
    Well, with Heritage Druid making 4, 7 doesn't seem too much really.

    EDIT: Actually, I don't think this actually does much with Heritage, since it usually isn't tapping itself. Still, pretty decent card, I think.
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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    I know, I was just continuing the line of thought from ReAnimator.



    Well, with Heritage Druid making 4, 7 doesn't seem too much really.

    EDIT: Actually, I don't think this actually does much with Heritage, since it usually isn't tapping itself. Still, pretty decent card, I think.
    It's a massive upgrade for Birchlore, going from half a mana/elf to one mana/elf. Llanowar Elves also gets doubled. Heritage Druid only gets 33% more mana/elf instead of 100%.

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    EDIT: Actually, I don't think this actually does much with Heritage, since it usually isn't tapping itself. Still, pretty decent card, I think.
    It should trigger 3 times every time you use Heritage Druid (it says "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana" not "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent to activate its own mana ability"). But because "that permanent produced" no mana, would it produce 0 mana or 1 mana of no type (generic)?

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    It's a massive upgrade for Birchlore, going from half a mana/elf to one mana/elf. Llanowar Elves also gets doubled. Heritage Druid only gets 33% more mana/elf instead of 100%.
    Right, but even Birchlore Rangers and Heritage Druid only make extra mana when they tap themselves, not when, say, you tap two Nettle Sentinels and a rando other elf (or two Nettles in the case of Birchlore), because of how Kinnan is worded.
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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    It should trigger 3 times every time you use Heritage Druid (it says "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana" not "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent to activate its own mana ability"). But because "that permanent produced" no mana, would it produce 0 mana or 1 mana of no type (generic)?
    Hmm, is that how it would work? Genuinely confused now, honestly.
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    106.12. To “tap [a permanent] for mana” is to activate a mana ability of that permanent that includes the {T} symbol in its activation cost.

    From my understanding, Kinnan does not interact with Heritage nor Birchlore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    It should trigger 3 times every time you use Heritage Druid (it says "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana" not "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent to activate its own mana ability"). But because "that permanent produced" no mana, would it produce 0 mana or 1 mana of no type (generic)?
    I don't think that works. You tap the other dudes to activate Heritage Druid's ability, they do not produce mana themselves.

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    Re: iKoria Spoilers: Godzilla is a creature type now

    Quote Originally Posted by Kage View Post
    I don't think that works. You tap the other dudes to activate Heritage Druid's ability, they do not produce mana themselves.
    It's not clear that "tap a permanent for mana" means to tap it for its own mana ability, at least from English grammar alone. You are tapping it to activate an ability that produces mana.

    But Glass House cleared it up. Rule 106.12 defines it explicitly for Magic.

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