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    That effect really needs to cost 2 if they want it to be fast enough to be effective against combo.

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    The obvious comparison is unmoored ego, and I think it has an edge because it's mono colored. Also the trade off here is a 2/2 or a card. You can also next-level yourself by letting them keep one or more copies in their hand if you're so scared of the ,
    2/2.
    So I'm thinking a role playing modern card.
    Better than ego when naming valakut, worse against combos with redundancy.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    It isn't an Uro, but reminds me of QB in terms of power creep:



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    So you get a 2-mana Recall if you flash it back with Snapcaster? Even at Sorcery speed, this seems overall better than Accumulated Knowledge.

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    It isn't an Uro, but reminds me of QB in terms of power creep:



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    So you get a 2-mana Recall if you flash it back with Snapcaster? Even at Sorcery speed, this seems overall better than Accumulated Knowledge.
    Also works well with Underworld Breach/LED. Or Past in Flames in Modern.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021



    Cryptic Masterpiece

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    2, T, Put a page counter on Cryptic Masterpiece: Draw a card.
    Whenever Cryptic Masterpiece has four or more page counters on it, exile it. If you do, gain 4 life.

    Anybody see potential for this?
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Anybody see potential for this?
    Seems expensive, at least in the context of Legacy. It needs to draw twice to get real CA since it does nothing on its own. Not a fan of this.

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    Seems expensive, at least in the context of Legacy. It needs to draw twice to get real CA since it does nothing on its own. Not a fan of this.
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    See the Truth seems really good with Snapcaster
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    See the Truth seems really good with Snapcaster
    I know it's moot, but could you imagine See the Truth with a Wrenn&6 ultimate?
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Cryptic Masterpiece

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    2, T, Put a page counter on Cryptic Masterpiece: Draw a card.
    Whenever Cryptic Masterpiece has four or more page counters on it, exile it. If you do, gain 4 life.

    Anybody see potential for this?
    Karn wishes from exile. Nesting Grounds also sustains. That said, it’s probably about equivalent to Treasure Map

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    I know it's moot, but could you imagine See the Truth with a Wrenn&6 ultimate?
    Actually, probably also very good with Shardless? It's another draw 3 alongside Ancestral Vision . . .
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Actually, probably also very good with Shardless? It's another draw 3 alongside Ancestral Vision . . .
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    Ok, this has gotta be good in burn right?

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    T2 Fireblast, Incinerator is going to be pretty strong against a couple of decks. But as long as Oko remains legal in Legacy, it isn't much more than a glorified Elk.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    actually this makes rift bolt really cool.

    t1 suspend rift bolt. t2 bolt, play this guy. i'm still going to t1 goblin guide over rift bolt, but it's interesting that it's an option. it's also really cool with eidolon. if this guy is in play and they brainstorm, you can kill a delver for free.

    i think it's easily worth a test. it doesn't add a ton of value against non-creature decks.
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Bolts reduce its cost by 3 with a floor of R, meaning unless you play acceleration which Burn doesn't usually, this is a turn 3 play (2 burn spells plus this guy for RRR) . . . even with Turn 1 Rift Bolt you need another bolt spell to get this guy into play. If you assume that he replaces a bolt then he breaks even on the next bolt (Without him, 2 cards -> 6 damage. With him 2 cards -> 6 damage) you're only reaping the benefits on the second bolt you cast after he comes out. So on a straight up burn deck it will only be better than another bolt in this exact scenario:

    Turn 1 - Mountain - Rift Bolt
    Turn 2 - Mountain - Bolt, Chandra's Incinerator
    Turn 3 - [Mountain] - Bolt, Bolt/Fireblast

    Or you can cast him and follow up with a Fireblast the turn it enters into play but that only gains you 1 extra point of damage instead of a bolt. You might get bigger dividends with Price of Progress?
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    T1 Seal of Fire + any T2 one mana 3 damage spell enables it as well. Not that Burn would normally run Seal of Fire, just saying. We'll see how busted this thing really is going to be.



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    Skulltap has become pretty efficient over time. Since it's an instant, you can play it in response to removal, essentially giving you +1 CA over your opponent. Also pretty silly with Veteran Explorer. Combos with Snapcaster and Young Pyromancer. I'd keep an eye on that one.

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    T1 Seal of Fire + any T2 one mana 3 damage spell enables it as well. Not that Burn would normally run Seal of Fire, just saying. We'll see how busted this thing really is going to be.





    Skulltap has become pretty efficient over time. Since it's an instant, you can play it in response to removal, essentially giving you +1 CA over your opponent. Also pretty silly with Veteran Explorer. Combos with Snapcaster and Young Pyromancer. I'd keep an eye on that one.
    I think that people are also completely discounting that once it's in play, it doubles all of the damage spells you cast until it's dealt with.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    One thing to note about YP is that if you sac YP, you will not get a token by casting this spell. This was not an uncommon mistake with Mentor and Cabal Therapy when people were playing Esper Mentor years back.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    I think that people are also completely discounting that once it's in play, it doubles all of the damage spells you cast until it's dealt with.
    It just doesn't.
    With him in play a Bolt to the face is 3 free damage to a creature or Planeswalker, which is great if they have a creature or a Planeswalker. Otherwise, it's a Bolt to the face. Nothing is being doubled.
    It's disingenuous like saying Searing Blaze deals 6 damage with Landfall. Sure 3+3=6, but if they're at 5 do I win the game?
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