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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Don’t forget that opponent also loses the spell they’re cracking Standstill with (and -1 card to discard).
    Good catch! I don't think this makes mono-blue more playable but it's a cool idea. The 3UUU cost would be really hard to scrounge up outside of mono-blue.
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Indeed, but I am at a bit of a loss as to what should really be done with the card...



    That sure is a nice set of abilities. But at 5 mana, it is probably just a bit too much.
    Dragonstorm? With 3 copies total, you could go:

    #1: Terror
    #2: Terror, trigger the first one for 5 damage
    #3: Bogardan Hellkite (deal 5), 2x 5 damage triggers (=15 damage)

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    At 3RR I think it’s better to have haste and protection from StP; not that this dragon is all that playable either.

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    Not an amazing rate and really unfortunate that it can't be a Beast. Still somewhat interesting just for being a land with that ability though.
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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Not an amazing rate and really unfortunate that it can't be a Beast. Still somewhat interesting just for being a land with that ability though.
    If only it said "Each", it would be insane with Birds:
    Squadron Hawk
    Welkin Hawk
    Pride of the Clouds

    Otherwise tapping 3 lands to add one counter is on par with the completely unplayable Dragon Blood, and being a land doesn't help that much. Great card in Limited though.

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    Don’t forget that opponent also loses the spell they’re cracking Standstill with (and -1 card to discard).
    Unless they crack Standstill on your turn, it would cost 3UUU to disrupt them. Same with discard. Is Landstill slow enough that it wants a 3UUU effect? (at that point you could hardcast either Force)

    For Dreadstill/Dreadnought, it will probably function as a counterable Trickbind, and even Trickbind doesn't see play.

    It's an interesting card for EDH.

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    Combine with creeping chill?
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    Combine with creeping chill?
    Cling to Dust seems more sustainable and interactive.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Oh, hey, deathtouch for planeswalkers!



    And yet another card that interacts favorably with Martyr of Sands:



    T1 This
    T2 Martyr with at least two white cards in hand, sac it, swing with Speaker, activate post-combat to produce an Angel.

    You could also splash black for the new Vampire to nuke opponents with massive Martyr lifegain.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Speaker and Serra Ascendant both interact very favorably with turn 2 Martyr of Sands in a mono W lifegain deck. (They're also all Humans for Cavern of Souls).

    Martyr+Ascendant combo saw some play in Soul Sisters years ago, but it was too inconsistent and high variance. But now with more 1 cmc payoffs for Martyr, it could be a thing. You can use the old trick of Squadron Hawk to cheat more white cards into your hand.

    Now there's also Ranger-Captain of Eos & Recruiter of the Guard at 3 cmc instead of just Ranger of Eos at unplayable 4 cmc (the deck's only tutor at the time).

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Speaker and Serra Ascendant both interact very favorably with turn 2 Martyr of Sands in a mono W lifegain deck. (They're also all Humans for Cavern of Souls).

    Martyr+Ascendant combo saw some play in Soul Sisters years ago, but it was too inconsistent and high variance. But now with more 1 cmc payoffs for Martyr, it could be a thing. You can use the old trick of Squadron Hawk to cheat more white cards into your hand.

    Now there's also Ranger-Captain of Eos & Recruiter of the Guard at 3 cmc instead of just Ranger of Eos at unplayable 4 cmc (the deck's only tutor at the time).
    Completely forgot about Ranger-Captain. That's actually a pretty good fit, especially with Vial. Charming Prince would work her as well well, since he can either flicker a Recruiter effect or gain 3 life by himself.

    With all those cards being human, you could run a full set of Caverns. Main problem I can see is being nuked by Plague Engineer, aside from fast combo.

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    With all those cards being human, you could run a full set of Caverns. Main problem I can see is being nuked by Plague Engineer, aside from fast combo.
    Fast combo can be managed via other white humans: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Meddling Mage

    Post-board Plague Engineer is the biggest threat. You could board in Honor of the Pure effects maybe?

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    Fast combo can be managed via other white humans: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Meddling Mage

    Post-board Plague Engineer is the biggest threat. You could board in Honor of the Pure effects maybe?
    Force Of Virtue gives you an extra white card when you don't need it and you can cast it in response to them investing the mana into engineer. (Just like a real force of will!)

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Force Of Virtue gives you an extra white card when you don't need it and you can cast it in response to them investing the mana into engineer. (Just like a real force of will!)
    Fair enough - works especially well extra Hawk copies.

    Throw in some Moms to protect against removal and Oko and things gets somewhat coherent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Speaker and Serra Ascendant both interact very favorably with turn 2 Martyr of Sands in a mono W lifegain deck. (They're also all Humans for Cavern of Souls).

    Martyr+Ascendant combo saw some play in Soul Sisters years ago, but it was too inconsistent and high variance. But now with more 1 cmc payoffs for Martyr, it could be a thing. You can use the old trick of Squadron Hawk to cheat more white cards into your hand.

    Now there's also Ranger-Captain of Eos & Recruiter of the Guard at 3 cmc instead of just Ranger of Eos at unplayable 4 cmc (the deck's only tutor at the time).
    Damn I've been thinking about Mono W lifegain for awhile. I just want to play Test of Endurance so I always tried to make it a prison deck. Using lifegain to make more dudes might be a better idea though*.

    *or at least more viable competitively.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

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    Now that they’ve printed Kaervek, they can unprint Plague Engineer
    A 1000 times this.

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    Martyr proc is back (baby)?

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Martyr proc is back (baby)?
    Maybe, who knows. Vito can nuke amount huge amounts of life with Martyr. A black splash would also give you access to more disruption like Tidehollow Sculler or Kitesail Freebooter and Plague Engineer for opposing decks.

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    Re: The Fast and Teferius: Core Set 2021

    You guys are working too hard on a deck that can’t beat combo due to inability to interact, and would also struggle due to A then B then C combo without enough value or manipulation. Arguel’s Blood Fast + Dreadnought. Draw cards, or beat them down, or sometimes you get Vito and quad-Helix them (also you can play Plow if you want). Play one Vito, a few Entombs, and Sevinne’s - minimize useless topdecks (Vito). Shadow-Reanimator building also gets away with minimizing slots on Vito while doing the thing.

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