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    What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each color?

    Long time MTG player here, however I haven't truly played since around 2004. Been interested in getting back to it. I've started to toss around some deck ideas, but I've found that I'm not confident in what I know about the current landscape of card drawing across each of the five colors.

    What do you believe are the strongest card drawing cards, engines or combos of each color?

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    Coalition Victory.

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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    A lot has changed in the last 16 years. Legacy is not really a format for "engines" or for raw card draw, but rather mostly synergies or outright combo dedicated decks.

    I think you would be well-off to look at recent results, like here, and then ask further questions about what might not make sense, or what you'd like to understand better.
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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    You should probably start by playing some established deck, brewing while new to the format will be very hard. But if that's what you want to do, fine, it's perhaps more fun for some of us.

    Green clearly has sylvan library.
    Black has dark confidant. I guess griselbrand deserves mention too, needs to be reanimated first though [edit: or necrotic ooze or Volrath's Shapeshifter] .
    Blue has brainstorm and ponder. Not card advantage but clearly the most powerful card draw in the format.
    White doesn't have anything really (I think) but Tithe has been used with Brainstorm recently and there's land tax to couple with scroll rack.
    Red has experimental frenzy, not great but interesting, but in practice dreadhorde arcanist coupled with cantrips is the best.
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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    To give you some more ideas:

    Green: Argothian Enchantress, Enchantress's Presence, and Glimpse of Nature
    Black: Griselbrand, Ad Nauseam, Infernal Contract, and Cruel Bargain
    White: Palace Jailer
    Blue: Echo of Eons, Accumulated Knowledge, Jin-Gitaxias, Time Spiral, Ancestral Vision, Standstill, Enter the Infinite, and Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    Red: Goblin Ringleader
    Artifact: Mystic Forge, Staff of Domination
    Colorless: Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion

    Blue-Green: Uro
    Blue-Red: Dack Fayden

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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    depends on the deck you want to play.

    i'd use the advice and check the link H provided.

    it really depends if you consider things like Goblin Ringleader, Imperial Recruiter, Stitcher's Supplier, Elvish Visionary as engines or not. i'm not sure there's a lot of value in identifying these kinds of things right now for legacy.
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    If you are interested in engines, black (with a splash) for dredge is quite the thing too.
    Same with green's Life from the loam.
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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    If you look closely at most (if not all) competitive decks in legacy they all have an 'engine' that they are built around. Some of them are synergistic, especially the combo decks, while others are based on raw power. A few decks are based on face-value power level (like Burn, Show and Tell) but most have a core engine that either wins the game or creates card advantage. I think it's more productive to look at specific deck strategies than at colors. Many of the card advantage engines are incredibly compact, sometimes just playing one of the new busted planeswalkers. Looking at the 'good stuff' blue stew piles that have been prevalent for a while, many games center around just resolving a planeswalker and snowballing from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    A lot has changed in the last 16 years. Legacy is not really a format for "engines" or for raw card draw, but rather mostly synergies or outright combo dedicated decks.
    I look at it differently; I see synergistic decks as the very definition of using an 'engine'. Even 4-5C blue stew decks use Uro and Oko as engines to create card advantage.

    I think you would be well-off to look at recent results, like here, and then ask further questions about what might not make sense, or what you'd like to understand better.
    This is excellent advice.
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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    White also had Lurrus as an engine, but it had to die for companion's sins. I do hope card comes back one day since companion has already been nerfed.

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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    Another Black spell - Night's Whisper.
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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    Speaking of black and new toys, also Peer into the Abyss

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    Re: What do you believe to be the strongest card drawing card or engine for each colo

    If you become disillusioned with what magic has become, be sure to also checkout the Premodern format https://premodernmagic.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DireLemming View Post
    If you become disillusioned with what magic has become, be sure to also checkout the Premodern format https://premodernmagic.com/
    Just compare trade binders already.

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    Or cube, if you want to insist you're still being "competitive"

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