What happens if I play Urborg, Kormus Bell, and Humility? Or maybe Nature's Revolt and Humility? Anyway, do the lands lose their ability to tap for mana? I don't really understand how lands get this ability. Is it an ability on the card, so Humility takes it away, or is it granted by the -Swamp or -Mountain subtype, and in that case, does Humility take away that subtype?
Animated lands can't tap for mana.
The ability to tap for mana is just that an ability.
Humility removes all abilities.
Here is an old ruling from Saturday School. Probably one of the only rulings concerning Humility that is still accurate.
Q: My opponent plays Nature's Revolt. On my turn, I play Humility. Can we tap our creature-lands for mana anymore? What happens if they’re played in the opposite order?
--Eu-Ming Lee
A: You can’t tap the creature-lands for mana at all, regardless of the order the enchantments are played in. Humility takes away the abilities of all creatures, including the mana abilities of the creature-lands. If there had been a later effect giving mana abilities, you could use them, but since Nature’s Revolt just animates the lands, their built-in abilities will always be removed by Humility.
The ability to tap for mana is granted by the rules to all lands with a basic land subtype, so it is inderectly granted by any effect that gives a Land a basic land type. Those effects are always applied in layer 4 (Type Changing), so when applying humilitys ability-removing in layer 5, the tap for mana ability will always be there for each land with a basic land type, so it will be removed by humility.
...Unless Riftstone Portal gets tossed in the yard after Humility is played.
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Perhaps I am just tired but I am not seeing where in rule 418.5 that indicates that a Riftstone portal with automatically trump Humility.
Considering the amount of times "timestamp is used in section 418.5 (15 times) I don't think that is the case.Unless I am mistaken the new Comp Rules updates removed timestamps altogether.
I spent a few hours going through the archives of the Judges' discussion boards, and I cannot find any reference material for my statement regarding the Riftstone Portal. I do recall a written discussion regarding a similar situation, yet I am not sure where it was.
That being said, without source material to back it up, I would have to retract my earlier statement, and offer an apology if I gave incorrect information. If I do find the information I believed was true, I will post the source of it, and a link if possible.
For now, I will say that, yes the Portal does nothing once Humility comes into play, but if it thrown into the bin after the Humility has been in play, then your animated lands will then be able to tap for G or W.
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Both Riftstone Portal's ability and Humility's "lose all abilities" ability apply in layer 5, and they do not depend on each other, so they are applied in timestamp order. I've used this trick many times with Anger in RGSA v. Rabid Wombat.
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
What happens to the comes into play abilities of creatures? Like harmonic sliver's comes into play ability? They comes into play first then ability resolves then become a useless 1/1 or do they become a useless 1/1 immediately without the ability resolving?
The creature comes into play as a 1/1 creature without abilities, so the CiP-Ability won't be there to trigger
Svogthos the Relentless Tomb
Land
Tap: Add 1 to your mana pool.
3BG: Until end of turn, Svogthos, the Restless Tomb becomes a black and green Plant Zombie creature with “This creature’s power and toughness are each equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard.” It’s still a land.
Under Humility, is this guy a 1/1 or X/X? The tricky part is whether layer 6a applies.
so neither ability is a characteristic-setting ability, and both apply in layer 6b in timestamp orderOriginally Posted by CompRules
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
Humility's "lose all abilities" is applied in Layer 5, as is Wonder's flying, so if Wonder is put into the graveyard after Humility comes into play, your creatures will have flying, if Humility comes into play after Wonder hits the grave, they won't.Originally Posted by CompRules
So did Carter solve Opalescence?
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