Ok, rules gurus, how do Mind's Desire and Wheel of Fate interact if a Storm copy (or any copy, really) reveals Wheel of Fate?
Wheel of Fate: Today's Preview Card (tomorrows, whatever)
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/aa245
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No mana cost means you can't play it. Same with Evermind and any other non-land card that doesn't have a mana cost.
I'm sure someone will be able to quote the Comp Rules but that's the quick and dirty answer :>
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Hmm, the comprehensive rule book is a bit redundant on this ruling.
213.1a An object with no mana cost can’t be played as a spell.Two different rules that say exactly the same thing, a little redundant but clear that mind's desire will not let you play spells without a mana cost.401.1b An object with no mana cost can’t be played as a spell.
Edit: despite the comp rules being so redundant there is going ot be a rules change regarding this
So although you cannot play cards with no mana cost at the moment with mind's desire, that may change soon.There are other, more minor rules bits you may be interested in – for example, the rules about playing objects with no mana costs are changing so that suspend is possible. It's technical stuff and 90 percent of players probably will never need to worry about it. But take a gander at the more specific rules documents, if you want to know more.
Last edited by quicksilver; 09-12-2006 at 12:58 PM.
Originally Posted by Parcher
While it's true that, according to Evermind, spells without mana costs can't be played, there's a slight paradox here, and I'd be willing to bet that gets changed. Consider the following:
When you remove the last, play it without paying its mana cost
That's part of the Suspend mechanic.
Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
That's off of Mind's Desire.
So my question is this.
If you can't play Wheel of Fate off of Mind's Desire, and spells without mana costs can't be played, how can you play Wheel of Fate off of its own Suspend?
Under current rulings it can't. They are releasing an update to the rules with Cold snap.
Originally Posted by SpatulaOfTheAges
Originally Posted by Parcher
Just to clarify:
No, you cannot play Evermind, Wheel of Fate, or Lotus Bloom for free when revealed with Mind's Desire. This is because they have no mana cost and spells with no mana cost cannot be played.
There is currently a rules glitch regarding how you would then be able to play Suspend spells at all. This will be corrected to allow suspend spells to be played, but only when they have been suspended. The rules correction will still maintain the interaction with Desire.
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
I'm inclined to agree with Mr. Nightmare here. Although we really don't need any more debate on this issue as we can just wait until Wizards releases the official wording, I'd lean towards these spells not being playable with Mind's Desire. Lotus Bloom can still be played with Eureka though :)
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
Here is Mark Rosewater's Time Spiral Rules Primer:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/rules/tsp
I think this is the most relative part:
Unless I am mistaken, that means that Wheel of Fate is now INCREDIBLE with Mind's Desire. Or not going to be Extended Legal.If there’s a way to play such a card without paying its mana cost, then it can be played as a spell. This is possible if an effect allows it to be played "without paying its mana cost" (such as suspend or Spelljack do, for example), or if an effect allows it to be played for an alternative cost (such as Fist of Suns does, for example).
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I saw that ruling and already started playing around with temporal aperatures. Woo hoo!
Something will be banned, I doubt they will let Desire have Wheel and Recall just because.
This kind of makes me want to play extended....I mean, Iggy and Solidarity are great...but who doesn't want to play Mind's Desire and flip Ancestral Recall(s!!) and a Wheel of Fortune? Rediculously awesome.
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