Unlocking Legacy - European Developments

[hi-val]

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...cle/13901.html

New Kids On The Block had a bunch of hits, Chinese food makes me sick, I think it's fly when girls stop by for the summer.

[Cait_Sith]

Someone took Nourishing Lich to a Legacy tournament! And they took 6th place 0_o.

[Silverdragon]

As has already been said in the SCG forums Nefarious Lich has no triggers so technically you are right in that the combo can also work like you said with Lich however that part was a bit confusing because the decklist you had didn't play the original Lich.
Oh and Overgrown Estate is in there because it can be fetched with Academy Rector for those few who didn't figure it out yet :)
Anyway once again a great article full of hot deck tech and ideas.

[Happy Gilmore]

Wow, that Affinity deck has alot of inivation to it.

But with only 16 blue cards to support both FoW and Chrome Mox?

[Citrus-God]

Wow, that Affinity deck as alot of inivation to it.

But with only 16 blue cards to support both FoW and Chrome Mox?

FoW could easily have been something else. This reminds me of that Ninja Affinity with Erayo in old T2. I should test it...

[Eldariel]

FoW could easily have been something else. This reminds me of that Ninja Affinity with Erayo in old T2. I should test it...

It's an awesome deck though and the fact that FoW is free makes the turn 3 kills all that harder to deal with. That deck is actually darned close to Faerie Stompy in many ways, it accelerates its gameplan with arti lands and Tomb, it plays a few very big guys (esp. thanks to Arcbound and Plating) and keeps the opponent out of the game with Chalice and Force while swinging FTW. Basically just FS with different dudes and less Chalices (4 as opposed to 8). Definitely shores up the traditionally-horrible combo MU Affinity suffers of and gives the deck at least SOME ways to handle those Rods and such. But yea, I think 16 cards will support those just fine. If there's absolutely nothing else you can do, feel free to pitch FoW to Mox.

To me, that's the most reminiscent of Ninja Frogs, although it isn't that far from the Erayo-Ninja Affinity either.

[Citrus-God]

It's an awesome deck though and the fact that FoW is free makes the turn 3 kills all that harder to deal with. That deck is actually darned close to Faerie Stompy in many ways, it accelerates its gameplan with arti lands and Tomb, it plays a few very big guys (esp. thanks to Arcbound and Plating) and keeps the opponent out of the game with Chalice and Force while swinging FTW. Basically just FS with different dudes and less Chalices (4 as opposed to 8). Definitely shores up the traditionally-horrible combo MU Affinity suffers of and gives the deck at least SOME ways to handle those Rods and such. But yea, I think 16 cards will support those just fine. If there's absolutely nothing else you can do, feel free to pitch FoW to Mox.

To me, that's the most reminiscent of Ninja Frogs, although it isn't that far from the Erayo-Ninja Affinity either.

I dunno. Erayo-Ninja Affinity had Erayo as a Prison/Cad Advantage piece, as well as Mana Leak to protect/stall. It seems that Chalice of the Void is doing that as well as well as FoW to serve the place of Mana Leak, so I guess it shares some elements.

[Nihil Credo]

16 blue cards is the accepted minimum to play FoW. I'm not sure if it still works when you throw in the Mox, though. On the one side, it eats a blue spell every time; on the other, it can give you a use for FoW if you don't have a second blue card to pitch to it (or if you are unwilling to pitch it - say, a Tomb, Mox, Faeries opening).

[Finn]

Doug, that was a really good and really informative read. Thank you for putting in the time and energy to research that stuff for us.

[Bardo]

Doug, that was a really good and really informative read. Thank you for putting in the time and energy to research that stuff for us.

Agreed. Nice read and a great idea for an article. Well done, Doug. :)

[hi-val]

Thanks, guys! I hope you can excuse it being a day late then...

And I'd play the AfFOWnity list over Faerie Stompy because your creatures and equipment look a lot better.

[Firebrothers]

Yeah I agree, nice article. It opened my eyes to the European meta and it was worth a day to wait for.

[Tacosnape]

None of this makes these decks good. In fact, I haven't seen decks this janky-looking since I took 2nd in a 22 person tournament with a black green deck running Tempting Wurm, Bane of the Living, and the ever-unbeatable Dodecapod / Chain of Smog combo (Chain the opponent when you don't have board control, they bounce, you drop 1-2 Dodecapods and bounce again. GG.)

Also, the logic that a deck is good because it made top eight is flawed if not absurd. Almost any deck can top eight if it hits the right matchups, has good draws, or is piloted by a skilled player.

[TorpidNinja]

None of this makes these decks good. In fact, I haven't seen decks this janky-looking since I took 2nd in a 22 person tournament with a black green deck running Tempting Wurm, Bane of the Living, and the ever-unbeatable Dodecapod / Chain of Smog combo (Chain the opponent when you don't have board control, they bounce, you drop 1-2 Dodecapods and bounce again. GG.)

Also, the logic that a deck is good because it made top eight is flawed if not absurd. Almost any deck can top eight if it hits the right matchups, has good draws, or is piloted by a skilled player.

I know! I've won so many tourneys with 60Island.dec based on bluffing skill alone. They think I'm playing Solidarity and concede.

I'm not saying that to be incendiary but simply as a point that, especially in larger tournament scenes like the Affinity deck purports to have won, there's far more luck after making the top eight than before. Previous to the T8, it's an acid test (as I'm sure you already know, but it obviously varies from meta to meta.) In the meantime, it's alright to give these decks props for innovation and the accomplishments earned so far.

[Di]

Also, the logic that a deck is good because it made top eight is flawed if not absurd. Almost any deck can top eight if it hits the right matchups, has good draws, or is piloted by a skilled player.

So, when a deck you create makes top8, we will know that it isn't really a good deck because it got lucky and made it into top8. Yeah, it's always about luck, especially in an 87-person event.

[Slay]

Wow. I guess no one really does play combo over in Europe.

[Xero]

Wow. I guess no one really does play combo over in Europe.

What do you call the Lich deck?

[Volt]

Kudos on a great article! I love that affownity build.

[hi-val]

Wow. I guess no one really does play combo over in Europe.

I provided links to the T8s that the lists were in because they illustrate that you are incorrect. Take a look at them, you'll see a variety of combo popping up-- High Tide, Ill-Gotten Gains, Aluren, even the fun Lich deck. There's certainly a lot of combo being played. I'd suggest further exploring the links I provided at the very end; they have numerous T8s and decklists and were invaluable in writing this article.

Tacosnape, honeybunny, don't hold back. Tell me how you really feel.

[Slay]

What do you call the Lich deck?

Shitty.

edit:

I provided links to the T8s that the lists were in because they illustrate that you are incorrect. Take a look at them, you'll see a variety of combo popping up-- High Tide, Ill-Gotten Gains, Aluren, even the fun Lich deck. There's certainly a lot of combo being played. I'd suggest further exploring the links I provided at the very end; they have numerous T8s and decklists and were invaluable in writing this article.

I meant fast, resilient storm combo. I'm not ripping on the Europe metagame I'm pointing out that all of those decks would do pretty poor against combo.

edit2: I just looked over the decks. And no, you're wrong, when Stompy takes 4th place there's no way there's a significant good-players-playing-combo presence