TES can win through Chalice. However Trinisphere not so much, for this you must either play alot of Dark Rituals into a threshed Cabal Ritual then either a Rite of Flame or Lotus petal into Warrens. Another option is Burning Wish-> SHattering Spree.
I still don't think I know how to pilot the deck (IGG-POP)to the fullest...
Questions:
How do you use Infernal Tutor/Mystical tutor to the fullest?
I can't seem to combo out on 2nd turn that often... mostly 3rd or 4th turn... Is it normal?
list other intuition targets other than 3x IGG?
Can you list some ways combo out without using intuition?
Also, TES players, if you are playing againest a control deck and they counter or mage naming burning wish... how do you recover from that?
More question to come...
Thanks in advance for the answers.. :)
Hello,
It doesn't fit really in the this thread, but here it goes:
1. Infernal Tutor is used primary to tutor for a IGG after a Lion's Eye Diamond. But you can use it to find a second ritual, if you go for the perfect hand.
Mystical Tutor is used to get Intuition or a ritual. The best play is to use it after a brainstorm so that you can shuffle the bad cards away. Late game it can tutor for IGG so you can win the game.
2. There are alot of ways to win turn 1 or 2. Some of them aren't as obvious as other. Remember there are to different loops. The first one is with Intuition. The other one is with Double LED and a Infernal Tutor. Next to that there are some ways you can win without the loop. When you see your oppening hand, just start calculating how many damage you can do. This makes it easier to tutor for the right spells too.
3. Triple LED is one of the most obvious other Intuition targets. It makes comboing with Infernal Tutor possible. If you don't have enough mana you can wish for Dark Ritual/ Cabal Ritual/ Lotus Petal. Late game a Intuition can go in alot of variations, including a single IGG/Xantid Swarm/Tendrils. It makes it for your opponent very risky to choose the right card.
4. The most obvious is a hand of Swamp, Lotus Petal, Double LED and Infernal Tutor. Play the mana and Tutor for IGG. crack the LED's in response, creating six mana. IGG for double LED and Infernal Tutor and repeat. This is also possible with double Cabal Ritual or a combination. There are some other ways, but you must not stick to the loops. If you have a hand of a Infernal Tutor and mana, it's obvious you can win without the loop.
EDIT: check the IGG thread for more details.
To get back to the subject. I think the idea of a fast combo deck is flawed. There is no Wheel of Fortune or Yawgmoth's Will in Legacy. The fast combo decks are always based on a few cards. They can win without them, but is very hard. I think TES and IGG are the strongest, but I found Belcher still a strong deck. Sure Needle is a weak point, but they still have to get into play before you belcher for twenty.
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