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    DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    What is the purpose of the DTBF forum?

    The DTBF exists for a few reasons. Primarily, its purpose is to give new and veteran Legacy players an idea of the current state of the metagame. It is not only for highlighting tier one decks, but is also reflective of current trends in a constantly changing metagame. Ideally, the DTBF should provide a reasonably accurate model for creation of a testing gauntlet when preparing for an unknown metagame at a large, competitive tournament.


    How is the DTBF structured to meet these goals?

    The DTBF is broken down into two sections. This thread with the information it contains and the decks inside the forum.

    A DTB is typically (but not always) considered to be Tier 1. These decks are the most popular, prevalent decks in the format, and in many ways they help to define the rest of the metagame. These decks should absolutely be taken into consideration when preparing a gauntlet for a tournament.

    A Former DTB is a deck which has proven itself recently but lacked the numbers to hold its place in the forum for the current cycle.


    So how are decks selected for the DTBF?

    Rather than relying on arbitrary selection or decision-making based on conjecture which can be tainted by personal bias, decks are selected for the DTBF based on their performance at recent, large, competitive Legacy tournaments. Decks which make up a very large portion of the metagame are considered DTB's.

    The data used for selection is based upon information gathered and compiled by The Council. On the 15th of each month (Give or take a few days) the results of the last month's events are tallied. Then of the total, the top 4.6% of decks enter the DTBF for the following month. The decks from the month before that are pushed out are also listed to give a more complete picture of the meta.


    What makes a DTB?

    A Deck to Beat is a deck which is in the top 4.6% of the previous months total deck tally as found at The Council.


    Final Notes:

    We recognize that this system is neither perfect nor infallible. By analyzing incomplete data, we do not necessarily create an accurate or full representation of the decks that make up the metagame. However, we feel this system will produce reasonably accurate results using a relatively simple, bias-free method.

    The DTB Spreadsheet with all data I use can be found here. The sheet will be updated less often than this thread.


    Updated 10/4 for the new qualifications
    -PR


    Updated 10/29 for new standards.
    -PR

    Updated 12/25 for current standards.
    -NC

    Update 23/01/16 to reflect changes made to the section.
    -Dice
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    The last six 50+ person tournaments include the following:
    • December Bazaar of Wonders Tournament
    • January Iserlon Legacy Tournament
    • Running Gagg
    • Feb Iserlohn Legacy Tournament
    • Mana Leak Open Day 1
    • Mana Leak Open Day 2

    More information about those tournaments can be found in the Historical T8 thread maintained by Anwar.
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    Well. That didn't last too long. We have new information about the last 6 tournaments.

    Currently the last 6 tournaments are
    • Running Gagg
    • February Iserlohn Legacy Tournament
    • Mana Leak Open Day 1
    • Mana Leak Open Day 2
    • March Iserlohn Legacy Tournament
    • March Bazaar of Wonders Tournament


    So...

    In:
    Goblins - 8 - DTB
    Thresh - 6 - DTB

    Enchantress - 3 - DTW
    Red Death - 2 DTW
    Aluren - 3 DTW
    TES - 2 - DTW

    Survival - 5 - ATW
    Landstill - 3 ATW

    Out:
    Faerie Stompy - 1 - Open
    Life From The Loam - 2 Open

    Also worth noting is Fish and Spring Tide T8ing twice but only in European tournaments. We'll be making the changes before Saturday.
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    May Update

    Unchanged:
    Goblins - DTB - 7 placements in the 6 past 50+ ppl tournies
    Thresh - DTB - 7
    Enchantress - DTW - 2
    TES - DTW - 2
    Aluren - DTW - 2
    Survival - ATW - 4
    Landstill -ATW - 3

    In
    RGBSA - DTW - 2

    Out
    F-Stompy - Former DTW - 1
    Red Death - Former DTW - 1
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    June Update

    Even though May had three 50+ player tournies (one each in America, Japan, and Germany), we will not be making any updates to the LMF for this month due to the Flash errata removal and then banning.
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    June Update

    *Please note that any Tournies including Flash were ignored.
    **Changes in Italics


    3/3/07 - TML2 Day 1 (USA)
    3/4/07 - TML2 Day 2 (USA)
    3/18/07 - Bazaar of Wonders (Euro)
    3/25/07 - March Iserlohn (Euro)
    4/28/07 - Kaddy's Dual Land Draft III (USA)
    4/21/07 - Pro-Tour Yokohama Legacy Side Event (Asia)

    This discounts any tournament where Flash was played (at least to our knowledge). Here is my tally based on these 6 tournaments -

    IN
    DTB
    Vial Goblins - 9
    Threshold - 6

    DTW
    TES - 2
    Enchantress - 2
    Faerie Stompy - 2
    RGbSA - 2

    ATW
    Life from the Loam - 5
    Survival - 2
    Landstill - 2

    OUT
    Aluren - 1
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    July Update

    *Please note that any Tournies including Flash were ignored.
    **Changes in Italics


    3/4/07 - TML2 Day 2 (USA)
    3/18/07 - Bazaar of Wonders (Euro)
    3/25/07 - March Iserlohn (Euro)
    4/28/07 - Kaddy's Dual Land Draft III (USA)
    4/21/07 - Pro-Tour Yokohama Legacy Side Event (Asia)
    6/24/07 - AMC 25 (Asia)

    IN
    DTB
    Vial Goblins - 10
    Threshold - 9

    DTW
    RGbSA - 2

    ATW
    Zoo/RG Beats/Sligh Variants (Little men and burn) - 6
    Life from the Loam - 6
    Survival - 3
    Landstill - 2

    OUT
    TES - 1
    Enchantress - 1
    Faerie Stompy - 2 (No USA showings)


    Please note that 3 separate storm combo decks (one each of TES, Iggy, Cret Belcher) have T8ed in the past 6 50+ tournies. Also note Faerie Stompy's double T8 in the past two Japanese Tournies. Lastly, Little men and Burn has placed 6 times across the world in the past 6 large events. However, I don't even know where to begin with organizing an ATW thread since the lists are so varied.
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    August Update

    *Please note that any Tournies including Flash were ignored.
    **Changes in Italics
    ***Step it up, USA. We've only have 1 tournie


    4/8/07 - Utrect, Netherlands (Netherlands)
    4/21/07 - Pro-Tour Yokohama Legacy Side Event (Asia)
    4/28/07 - Kaddy's Dual Land Draft III (USA)
    6/24/07 - AMC 25 (Asia)
    7/1/07 - Bazaar of Wonders (Germany)
    7/8/07 - Iserlohn (Germany)

    IN
    DTB
    Vial Goblins - 7
    Threshold - 7

    DTW
    RGbSA - 2
    CRET Belcher - 4

    ATW
    Life from the Loam - 6
    Survival - 2
    Landstill - 3

    OUT
    Zoo/RG Beats/Sligh Variants (Little men and burn) - 4 - No USA Appearance


    Please note that although CRET Belcher has four appearances only one of those was in an American tournament. Also wortt noting is Faerie Stompy's T8 in two Japanese Tournies. However, it has currently failed to T8 in USA tournies.
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    September Update

    *Changes in Italics


    7/1/07 - Bazaar of Wonders (Germany)
    7/8/07 - Iserlohn (Germany)
    8/4/07 - Northern Virginia (USA)
    8/12/07 - Iserlohn (Germany)
    8/16/07 - Indianapolis - Legacy Championship Prelim (USA)
    8/17/07 - Indianapolis - Legacy Championship (USA)

    IN
    DTB
    Vial Goblins - 4
    Threshold - 15
    Cephalid Breakfast - 5
    Landstill - 6


    DTW
    Fish - 2

    ATW
    Life from the Loam - 3 (2 Aggro Loams with drastically different lists)
    Landstill - 6

    OUT
    RGbSA - 1
    CRET Belcher - 3 - (No current USA appearances)
    Survival - 1

    Please note that although CRET Belcher has three appearances none of those were in an American tournament. Also worth noting is the impressive 15 places Thresh has taken out of 48 possible T8 slots! That's nearly a third! Goblins, as most of us have noted already, is in a serious decline with its lowest numbers yet. The upstart, Cephalid Breakfast, has proven itself strong enough to be considered a DTB - for now. Lastly, be aware of the quiet rise in Landstill decks but the near complete lack of Survival decks.
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    October Update

    *Changes in Italics


    8/12/07 - Iserlohn (Germany)
    8/16/07 - Indianapolis - Legacy Championship Prelim (USA)
    8/17/07 - Indianapolis - Legacy Championship (USA)
    9/1/07 - 2007 German Legacy Championship (Germany)
    9/16/07 - Bazaar of Wonders Legacy (Germany)
    9/23/07 - Ancient Memory Convention No. 28 (Japan)

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold - 16
    Landstill - 5

    DTW
    Fish - 3
    Cephalid Breakfast – 2
    Aluren – 2 (both lists were recorded as Innovator Aluren)
    43 Land - 2


    ATW
    Landstill - 5

    OUT
    Vial Goblins – 1
    CRET Belcher - 4 - (No current USA appearances)

    GOBLINS IS OUT! This is the first LMF update that has not included Goblins!
    Also worth noting is the impressive 16 places Thresh has taken out of 48 possible T8 slots! That's nearly a third! The upstart, Cephalid Breakfast, has fallen out of the DTB forum for now – I wonder why. Be sure to realize that Landstill is back and just might be here to stay. Lastly, Aluren and 43 Lands have sneaked their way into DTW status.

    Non US news: Please note that although CRET Belcher has four appearances none of those were in an American tournament. Baseruption and the Survival Archetype have T8ed twice in German tournies.
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    November Update
    PLEASE review the changes to the DTBF summarized here. In short, the changes amount to the following:

    1. 33+ players and 6 rounds for a tourney to qualify for inclusion in the DTBF(already implemented for the Oct. update)
    2. Remove the "American Clause." All tournies and T8s will count as much as American ones.
    3. DTB = 5 or more placements out of last 10 tournaments.
    4. DTW = 3 or more placements out of last 10 tournaments.
    5. ATW = 3 or more placements out of last 10 tournaments.

    *Changes in Italics

    8/17/07 – GenCon, Indianapolis
    9/1/07 - 2007 German Legacy Championship, Aschaffenburg, (Germany)
    9/2/07 - Finale Emilia (Italy)
    9/16/07 - Bazaar of Wonders, Nόrnberg (Germany)
    9/23/07 - Ancient Memory Convention, Akihabara (Japan)
    10/7/07 - San Giorgio (Italy)
    10/7/07 - Iserlohn (Germany)
    10/7/07 - EPIC Dual Land Draft, Syracuse
    10/14/07 - Cividale (Italy)
    10/28/07 - Ancient Memory, Akihabara (Japan)

    3 German
    3 Italian
    2 American
    2 Japanese

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 15 (colors include UGR, UGb, UG, UGRW)
    Landstill – 9 (colors include UW, UWB, UWBG, UGRW, BHWC, 4c)
    Goblins– 6 (splashes include W, G, and GW)

    DTW
    Ichorid - 4
    Cephalid Breakfast – 3
    TES - 3
    CRET Belcher – 3
    RG Beats (Goyf Sligh) – 3 (one deck splashed U for Stifle)
    BBS - 3


    ATW
    Landstill – 9
    Survival – 4 (variants include Survival Advantage, Rec-Sur, GWBU, GWBR)
    Life from the Loam – 3


    OUT
    43 Land - 2
    Aluren – 2
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    Decemeber Update
    PLEASE review the changes to the DTBF summarized here. In short, the changes amount to the following:

    For updates that will include more than 10 new tournies, we will be using a percentage based qualifier. Here they are below:

    DTB: 6.25% of all combined T8s
    DTW: 3.75% "
    ATW: 3.75% "

    Known November Tournaments with 33 or more players:

    11/3/07 - TMLO3 Day 1, Staford, Connecticut
    11/4/07 - TMLO3 Day 2, Staford, Connecticut
    11/4/07 - Udine, Italy
    11/4/07 - Grand Prix Krakow Legacy Side Event, Krakow, Poland
    11/11/07 - Spanish Legacy Championship, Madrid, Spain
    11/11/07 - Iserlohn, Germany
    11/17/07 - Speyer, Germany
    11/17/07 - Russian Legacy Championship
    11/17/07 - Danish Legacy Championship, Roskilde, Denmark
    11/18/07 - Finnish Legacy Championship, Helsinki, Finland
    11/18/07 - MCM's Legacy Tournament, Mol, Belgium
    11/25/07 - Ancient Memory #30, Akihabara, Japan
    11/24/07 - Monster Den - Minneapolis, Minnesota


    3 USA
    2 Germany
    1 Italy
    1 Japan
    1 Spain
    1 Russia
    1 Poland
    1 Denmark
    1 Finland
    1 Belgium

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 17 (colors include 7 UGR, 4 UGW, 3 UG, 2 UGWB, UGB)
    Landstill – 8 (colors include 6 BHWC, UWG, UWR)
    Goblins– 9 (splashes include 3 W, 2 BG, GW, WB, B, G)

    DTW
    Aluren – 4
    Suicide Black - 4
    Burn - 5


    ATW
    Landstill – 8
    Survival – 5
    Life from the Loam – 5 (4 aggro-control, 1 control)
    Rock Variants - 5

    OUT
    RG Beats (Goyf Sligh) – 3
    Cephalid Breakfast – 3
    CRET Belcher – 3
    Ichorid - 2
    TES - 0
    BBS - 0


    Decks with 3 T8 appearances
    CRET Belcher
    Cephalid Breakfast
    Fish
    Deadguy Ale
    Goyf Sligh

    Decks with 2 T8 appearances
    Ichorid
    Dragon Stompy
    Asstompy (Angel Stompy)
    Death and Taxes
    Solidarity
    StifleNaught
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    January Update

    The most recent 11 tournies with 33 or more players:


    11/25/07 - Ancient Memory #30, Akihabara, Japan
    11/25/07 - Swiss Legacy Champs
    11/25/07 - Finale Emilia, Italy
    12/1/07 - Hadley, Mass
    12/1/07 - Game Empire, SD, Cali
    12/2/07 - Bondeno, Italy
    12/15/07 - Barcelona, Spain
    12/22/07 - Mol, Belgian
    12/22/07 - Speyer, Germany
    12/23/07 - Finale Emilia, Italy
    12/30/07 - Ancient Memory #31, Akihabara, Japan

    2 USA
    1 Germany
    3 Italy
    2 Japan
    1 Spain
    1 Swiss
    1 Belgium

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 12 (colors include 5 UGR, 5 UGW, UGWB, UGB)
    Landstill – 7 (colors include 4 BHWC, UW, 2 UWR)
    Goblins– 9 (splashes include 5 W, 2 No splash, WB, GB)

    DTW
    Armaggedon Stax - 4
    DragonStompy - 4
    Cephalid Breakfast – 3

    CRET Belcher – 3
    Ichorid - 3
    TES - 3
    Burn - 3
    BWG DeadguyRock - 3
    Aggro Loam - 3

    ATW
    Landstill – 7
    Life from the Loam – 4
    Rock Variants - 4

    OUT
    Aluren -2
    Survival – 2
    Suicide Black - 0
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    February Update

    The most recent 10 tournies with 33 or more players:

    12/30/07 - Ancient Memory #31, Akihabara, Japan
    1/5/08 - Paris, France
    1/5/08 - Syracuse, NY, USA
    1/13/08 - Udine, Italy
    1/19/08 - Hadley, Mass, USA
    1/20/08 - Cremona, Italy
    1/20/08 - Hassloch, Germany
    1/20/08 - Iserlohn, Germany
    1/26/08 - 3rd Running GAGG, Geneseo, NY, USA
    1/27/08 - Ancient Memories #32, Akihabara, Japan

    3 USA
    2 Germany
    2 Italy
    2 Japan
    1 France

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 12 (variants include 5 UGR, 3 UGW, UGWB, UGRW, 2 Trinket Thresh)
    Goblins– 10 (splashes include 4 W, 3 No splash, 2 B, G)
    Landstill – 6 (colors include 4 BHWC (4C), UWb, 1 UWR)
    BWG Rock - 6

    DTW
    DragonStompy - 4
    Ichorid - 3
    Aluren -3
    Deadguy -3

    ATW
    Landstill – 6
    Rock Variants - 6
    Survival – 5

    OUT
    Armaggedon Stax - 2
    Cephalid Breakfast – 1
    CRET Belcher – 1

    TES - 1
    Burn - 0
    Aggro Loam - 0

    Life from the Loam – 0

    Other Decks with more than 1 showing
    Gro - 2
    Fish - 2
    Fairie Stompy - 2
    Trinket Nought variants - 5!
    Enchantress - 2
    Goyf Sligh - 2
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    March Update

    The most recent 10 tournies with 33 or more players:

    1/20/08 - Cremona, Italy
    1/20/08 - Hassloch, Germany
    1/20/08 - Iserlohn, Germany
    1/26/08 - 3rd Running GAGG, Geneseo, NY, USA
    1/27/08 - Ancient Memories #32, Akihabara, Japan
    2/9/08 – Barcelona, Spain
    2/10/08 – Measer, Italy
    2/17/08 – Hassloch, Germany
    2/24/08 – Pilar de lo Horadad, Spain
    2/24/08 - Ancient Memories #33, Akihabara, Japan

    1 USA
    3 Germany
    2 Italy
    2 Japan
    2 Spain

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 13 (variants include 3 UGR, 6 UGW, UGB, 3 Gro)
    Goblins– 10 (splashes include 4 W, 2 No splash, 1 GB, 2 G, 1 BU)
    Landstill – 5 (colors include 3 BHWC (4C), UWb Cunning Wish, 1 UWB)

    DTW
    Fairie Stompy - 4
    BWG Rock – 3
    Deadguy -3
    MUC - 3
    Armaggedon Stax - 3
    Aggro Loam - 3

    ATW
    Landstill – 5
    Rock Variants - 3


    OUT
    DragonStompy – 1
    Ichorid - 2
    Aluren -2
    Survival – 2
    Cephalid Breakfast – 2
    CRET Belcher – 0
    TES - 1
    Iggy - 2
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    April Update
    Holy return of combo!


    Combo in all shapes and forms made a huge appearance in the recorded March tournies. IggyPop variants, Belcher, and Ichorid all did very well! At least Ichorid’s huge explosion can be explained by its Extended popularity and good game against Thresh. But how has Belcher and Iggy done so well?

    Also, please note that I have treated Fetchland Tendrils AS IggyPop. What really is the major difference between the two decks?

    11 March tournies with 33 or more players:

    3/2/08 - Iserlohn, Germany
    3/8/08 – Off the Wall Games, Mass, USA
    3/9/08 – Bordeno, Italy
    3/16/08 - Hassloch, Germany
    3/22/08 – Barcelona, Spain
    3/23/08 - Ancient Memories #34, Akihabara, Japan
    3/29/08 – Magic Corporation, France
    3/29/08 – NoVa Draft Take II, Virginia, UAS
    3/30/08 – Padova, Italy
    3/30/08 – San Girgio, Italy
    3/31/08 – Lliga Catalana, Spain

    3 Italy
    2 USA
    2 Germany
    2 Spain
    1 Japan
    1 France

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 12 (variants include 3 UGR, 2 UGW, 2 UGB, 2 Gro, 2 5C, NQS)
    Goblins– 7 (splashes include 3 W, 1 GWB, GW, 2 G, B, GB)
    Ichorid – 9
    CRET Belcher – 6

    DTW
    Landstill – 5 (colors include 3 BHWC (4C), UWb, UW)
    BWG Rock – 4
    Iggy - 4
    Aggro Loam - 4
    Armaggedon Stax – 3

    ATW
    Landstill – 5
    Rock Variants - 4
    Survival – 5

    OUT
    Fairie Stompy
    DragonStompy
    Aluren
    Deadguy
    MUC
    Cephalid Breakfast
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    May Update
    A little late, no?

    In Legacy news: Ichorid is putting up the same numbers as Thresh and Landstill! America continues to ignore The Rock while it puts up big numbers elsewhere. New comers, The Fear and StifleNaught make their first appearances in the DTBF.

    3/22/08 - Black Lotus Shop, Barcelona, Spain
    3/29.08 - Magic Corporation Legacy France
    3/29/08 - NoVa Draft Take 2, Virginia, USA
    3/30/08 - Dragon's League, Padova, Italy
    3/30/08 - San Giorgio (FE), Italy
    4/5/08 - Black Lotus Shop, Barcelona, Spain
    4/6/08 - 4x Tarmogoyf Challenge, Leinμ (Turin)
    4/20/08 – Hassloch, Germany
    4/27/08 - Ancient Memory Convention 35, Japan
    4/27/08 – EARTHQUAKE, Finale Emilia, Italy


    4 Italy
    2 Spain
    1 USA
    1 Germany
    1 Japan
    1 France

    *Changes in Italics

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 9 (variants include 4 UGR, UGW, UGB, 2 5C, UG)
    Ichorid – 9
    Landstill – 9 (colors include 5 BHWC (4C), 3 UWb, UW)
    Goblins– 5 (all white splashes)
    BWG Rock – 5


    DTW
    CRET Belcher – 4
    Iggy - 3
    Aggro Loam – 3
    StifleNaught Variants – 4 (2 U, UB, Ugw)
    The Fear (Psychatog Variant) – 3 (Please note that I don't think we have a thread for this deck. PM me if you find one)

    ATW
    Landstill – 9
    Rock Variants - 5
    Survival – 3

    OUT
    Armaggedon Stax – 2
    Fairie Stompy - 2
    DragonStompy - 2
    Aluren - 0
    Deadguy - 0
    MUC - 0
    Cephalid Breakfast - 1
    TES – 0
    Enchantress – 2
    Burn – 2
    WW – 2
    RG Beats – 2
    Pox - 1
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    June Update

    In Legacy news: Where the hell did Ichorid go? Replacing Ichorid as the “young” upstart is StifleNaught variants. With so much effective hate for a 1cc artifact creature, how can these decks be doing so well? Will they disappear once players are better prepared for them? Also note the popularity of the AggroLoam deck and the introduction of PainterStone variants to the T8.

    With 13 May tournaments, a deck had to Top 8 seven times to be classified as a DTB and four times to be a DTW or ATW.

    5/1/08 - 12th Torneo La Cabala Spain
    5/3/08 - Black Lotus Shop, Barcelona, Spain
    5/4/08 - NadiaSKless Garbagnate (Milan)
    5/10/08 - Magic Corporation - Paris, France
    5/11/08 - Iserlohn (Germany)
    5/17/08 - Draco et Martellus, Spain
    5/17/08 - Pawtucket, Rhode Island
    5/18/08 - Bondeno (FE), Italy
    5/18/08 - Batalla por las Dual (Duel for Duals)Valencia (Spain)
    5/24/08 - Off the Wall Games, Hadley Ma
    5/25/08 - Ancient Memory Convention #36 Japan
    5/25/08 - Lliga Catalana de Legacy - 3rd Tournament, Badalona, Spain
    5/31/08 - Monster Den Minneapolis, Mn


    5 – Spain
    3 – USA
    2 – Italy
    1 – France
    1 – Germany
    1 – Japan

    * as always, changes in italics.

    IN
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    Threshold – 9 (variants include 3UGW, 4UGR, UGB, UG)
    Landstill – 8 (colors include 3BHWC (4C), 3 UWb, UW, unknown)
    Goblins– 8 (splashes include 2R, 2gb, 2w, 2b)
    Aggro Loam – 8


    DTW
    StifleNaught Variants- 6
    Ichorid – 4
    Burn – 4 (5 if you include GoyfSligh)
    Painter Variants – 5



    ATW
    Landstill – 8


    OUT
    Survival – 3
    CRET Belcher – 2
    Iggy – 1
    BWG Rock – 2
    Armaggedon Stax – 3
    Fairie Stompy - 1
    DragonStompy - 3
    Aluren - 0
    Deadguy -
    MUC - 1
    Cephalid Breakfast - 2
    TES – 1
    RG Beats – 1 (GoyfSligh with Confidants)
    Various Black control decks
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    July Update

    In Legacy news: I do believe that we have our first recorded UK tournament!Thresh and Landstill retain their DTB status but take a look at how well StifleNaught and Painter variants placed in the past month. I wonder if both decks will eventually produce more refined versions that can be recognized as the superior build. Two of the Rock placements were actually in America – which is a miracle considering how adamantly the US ignores that deck. Lastly, in other surprising news, Goblins only placed 4 times, moving it to DTW status. OH! And please note that I wanted to include the GP side event, but we cannot find the official results. I may have to modify this update in the coming week or so. Also, it would be nice to get the latest Hadley tournament results in here - I'm just waiting for the T8 lists to be posted.

    The last ten recorded Legacy tournaments of 33 or more players:

    5/31/08 Monster Den , Minneapolis, Mn
    6/1/08 Alyumdra 15 Bilands, Bourgoin Jailleu (France)
    6/1/08 Iserlohn (Germany)
    6/1/08 Reims Champagne Legacy III, Rheims, FRANCE,
    6/6/08 Magic Corporation monthly Legacy, Paris (France)
    6/7/08 Black Lotus Shop Barcelona, Spain
    6/14/08 Gloucester , U.K.
    6/21/08 Lliga Catalana de Legacy - Badalona , Spain
    6/22/08 Ancient Memory Convention 37th , Japan
    6/29/08 Dual Land Draft @ The Batcave, Vancouver, WA

    France - 3
    USA – 2
    Spain - 2
    Germany - 1
    Japan - 1
    UK - 1

    * as always, changes in italics.

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 11 (variants include 6 Ugr, 2 Ugw, 3 Ugb)
    Landstill – 7 (colors include 2BHWC (4C), 3 UWb, UW, Ur)
    BWG Rock – 7
    Painter Variants – 6 (includes 2UB, R, Ugw, Ugb, Uwb)
    Aggro Loam – 5
    StifleNaught Combo Variants – 5 (includes DreadStill and Dreaded Fish)

    DTW
    Goblins– 4 (splashes include 2r, w, b)
    Ichorid – 3

    ATW
    Landstill – 7
    Survival – 3


    OUT
    Aluren – 2
    Storm Variants – 2 (see TES)
    Sui Variants – 2
    Belcher – 1
    Fairie Stompy - 1
    DragonStompy - 1
    MUC - 1
    TES – 1
    RG Beats – 1 (Goyf Sligh)
    Armaggedon Stax – 0
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    Re: LMF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    August 2008 Update

    In Legacy news: For the first time ever, we have NO DTWs! I wonder if this is somehow worth analyzing. Could it indicate that Legacy – a format renown for its diversity – is developing a more defined metagame? With seven “decks to beat,” could a Legacy player have a clearer indication of what to play (and play against) at a large, diverse tourney? Also, it seems as if Agro Loam (and to a lesser degree Dreadstill) variants may be starting to become more refined into standard lists. Also note that combo, with the exception of Ichorid, is basically absent from the July Top 8 lists. Lastly, the fan favorite Dragon Stompy only had 1 appearance.


    July had 14 recorded Legacy tournaments of 33 or more players. A deck needed to top-8 7 times for DTB status and 4 times for DTW status.

    07/05 Iserlohn (Germany)
    07/06 Rostock (Germany)
    07/06 Hobbyt, Asti, Italy

    07/12 Lliga Catalana de Legacy , Badalona, Spain
    07/13 Tarmo VS. Chino, Milan, Italy
    07/19 $1k tourney, Syracuse, NY

    07/20 Trader J's, Mobile, Alabama
    07/20 Trader-Liga, Dόlmen, Germany
    07/20 Hassloch, Germany
    07/20 Dragons League Roncade, Italy
    07/20 Mol, Belgium
    07/20 Legacy Italia, Piacenza, Italy
    07/25 Sommer-Mercadiade, Hamburg, Germany
    07/27 Ancient Memory Convention, Akihabara, Japan


    Germany – 5
    Italy - 4
    USA – 2
    Spain - 1
    Japan - 1
    Belgium - 1

    UK - 0
    France – 0


    * as always, changes in italics.

    IN
    DTB
    Threshold – 20 (variants include 11 Ugr, 4 Ugw, 2 Ugb, Nought Version, 5c, UG)
    DreadStill & StifleNaught Variants – 11 (Ugb, Ug, 4 Urg, Uw, Ur, 2 Ubw Fish, Ubg Fish)

    Landstill – 10 (colors include 2BHWC (4C), 5 UWb, Ubg, 2 Uwg)
    Aggro Loam – 10 (8 Rgb, Rgbw, Gbw)

    BWG Rock Variants – 9
    Ichorid - 9

    Goblins– 7 (splashes include mono-colored, 2w, b, g, 2 bg)

    DTW
    None

    ATW
    Landstill – 10
    Survival – 5


    OUT
    Painter Variants – 1
    Aluren – 2
    Storm Variants – 2 (see TES)
    Sui Variants – 2
    Belcher – 1
    DragonStompy - 1
    MUC - 3
    RG Beats – 3 (2 Goyf Sligh)
    WW – 2 (1 Angel stompy)

    Armaggedon Stax – 0
    Enchantress - 1
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