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    [Article] Flashy Finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Flores
    I must say that I was surprised by the lack of Hulk Flash decks in the Top 8 of Grand Prix–Columbus 2007. I know that there were three copies, more than any other archetype (there were five singletons), but I thought that if the metagame made any sense that there would be eight Flash decks in the Top 8—It's that much better than every other deck in the formatl
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Sadin
    Oh, definitely (That Flash will be banned). Even without Future Sight it is too good. People who thought anything else before this tournament had just not seen tuned Flash decks. If you re-ran Columbus 20 times, Gadiel and I would have 12 Top 8s each, Billy would have 10, and Julian would have 2-4.
    Thank fucking God. It's like a breath of fresh air. For a while it felt like I was in a fucking madhouse with all the idiots running around talking about how fair Flash was and that it's just another combo deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
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    Thank fucking God. It's like a breath of fresh air. For a while it felt like I was in a fucking madhouse with all the idiots running around talking about how fair Flash was and that it's just another combo deck.
    That may be true, but the Flash mirror is an awful lot of fun to play all day, even if it means the tournament takes about five minutes to finish.
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    Do you really think so? I hated the mirror. It was simply dumb, and a headache I didn't need when I was already under stress. Maybe that's just because I got curbstomped both times.
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    I do. You don't really need to try, or make difficult decisions. Your hand is either better than your opponent's or it isn't, and you mull till you get it that way. It's a refreshing minigame after fighting through aggro-control all day.
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    It's kind of awesome to have all these articles about Flash popping up everywhere. (Two have been published today, in addition to the Unlocking Legacy column.) Even if they say substantively the same things, most of which I and most of our community already knew, it really brings home how much publicity Flash has given the Legacy format.

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    This article made me breathe a sigh of relief. At least people are starting to recognize how unfair Flash is.

    While certainly not unbeatable, the fact that it managed to make 3 top 8 appearances as well as winning the damn GP through all that hate is nothing to sneeze at. Even if the deck can be beaten, the format it takes to do that just isn't that fun.
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    Remind me to hug Mike Flores in the odd chance I ever meet him. And buy him a full meal at Taco Bell.

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    Damn it, Taco, that exactly sums up my opinion on the matter. I need to buy you a beer for that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Do you really think so? I hated the mirror. It was simply dumb, and a headache I didn't need when I was already under stress. Maybe that's just because I got curbstomped both times.
    Ask URABAHN about his and Mad Zur's Flash mirror draw at Rockville. It was the only time I've seen Gearhart speechless.
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    And buy him a full meal at Taco Bell.
    He would probably spend an hour talking about how the value menu is perfectly balanced, only to feel that he didn't get enough food for his money at the end of the meal.

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    Thank fucking God.

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    Players were calling decks like Max's "Fish," but it is actually more reminiscent of Ben Rubin's Dump Truck than the combo killer Nicholas Lebarre took to the Pro Tour–Rome Finals (where he nevertheless lost to the title to 800 pound gorilla Academy). Max's deck combines some of the format's best cards in a package that was billed to beat Hulk Flash; Meddling Mage, Force of Will, Swords to Plowshares, Stifle, and Daze, combined with a reasonable clock, are all strong disruptive elements. Like Bill, Max could sideboard in Leyline of the Void for a quick and highly effective measure against the core Hulk Flash combination.
    I'm glad Mike Flores is supporting the Flash ban, but I really didn't like this bit at all. This pretty much pissed me off. I know Mike Flores is a Pro and everything... but how the hell can he say what is and isn't Fish in Legacy? That's what it is... it's frickin Fish. Additionally, I don't like how he says that the deck was built speficially to beat Hulk Flash. The deck was built as a general disruptive aggro/control deck. Grrrrrrrr...

    I just wanted to get that off my chest. Carry on.

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    Whaaaaaaat is this? A magicthegathering.com article on Legacy that is actually (for the most part) factually correct? Nice. I'm a bit sad he didn't mention the surprise unbanning of Imperial Seal, though. Although, since Flores isn't technically a WoTC employee, I guess only Brian David-Marshall would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    I'm glad Mike Flores is supporting the Flash ban, but I really didn't like this bit at all. This pretty much pissed me off. I know Mike Flores is a Pro and everything... but how the hell can he say what is and isn't Fish in Legacy? That's what it is... it's frickin Fish. Additionally, I don't like how he says that the deck was built speficially to beat Hulk Flash. The deck was built as a general disruptive aggro/control deck. Grrrrrrrr...

    I just wanted to get that off my chest. Carry on.
    He also said the deck is actually based off of Ben Rubin's Dump Truck. I would like to say semi-true. Duress + Meddling Mage + card drawing Wizard kinda shares that element with your deck. Only difference is that they run Silver Bullets and proactive disruption than the standard Fish, while you run more reactive disruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    I'm glad Mike Flores is supporting the Flash ban, but I really didn't like this bit at all. This pretty much pissed me off. I know Mike Flores is a Pro and everything... but how the hell can he say what is and isn't Fish in Legacy? That's what it is... it's frickin Fish. Additionally, I don't like how he says that the deck was built speficially to beat Hulk Flash. The deck was built as a general disruptive aggro/control deck. Grrrrrrrr...

    I just wanted to get that off my chest. Carry on.
    People also say you invented UBw Fish. You win some, you lose some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parcher View Post
    Ask URABAHN about his and Mad Zur's Flash mirror draw at Rockville. It was the only time I've seen Gearhart speechless.
    How the hell does the Flash Mirror result in a draw?

    Quote Originally Posted by IBA
    Do you really think so? I hated the mirror. It was simply dumb, and a headache I didn't need when I was already under stress. Maybe that's just because I got curbstomped both times.
    Wasn't your build designed with the mirror in mind?

    I personally didn't mind the mirror as I beat it three times.


    Quote Originally Posted by Slay
    I do. You don't really need to try, or make difficult decisions. Your hand is either better than your opponent's or it isn't, and you mull till you get it that way. It's a refreshing minigame after fighting through aggro-control all day.
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    Mulling in the mirror isn't very good. Daze, Force, and Duress are key. Or having the nuts draw. That always helps too.

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    People also say you invented UBw Fish. You win some, you lose some.
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    My best memory of the mirror match comes from being savaged by Ben Lundquist in Columbus.

    Game one, I went for the kill, with Force backup, on turn 2 or 3. Ben responded by playing Flash. I thought about it, but decided that I had to Force it. He then pointed a Force of his own at my Flash.

    The bluff bought him enough time to assemble his own combo off of a lucky Vault a few turns later.

    The second game was even better. An early Duress left Ben with a Mystical Tutor and two Dazes, while I had the combo, Force protection, and an Extirpate, but only three lands. At some point, I played a mainphase Brainstorm to dig for land and more protection, and he responded with a Daze.

    I paid one, and he Dazed again. I paid the one again, tapping out. He then responded further by Tutoring for Flash, Brainstorming, and going off through my Force of Will with my Brainstorm still on the stack.


    I agree with Jack. It's nice to see an article that finally gives Flash the credit it deserves. Flores even (correctly) identifies the deck as absurd before Future Sight.
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    Flash was dumb. Good thing it's over.

    I never got the chance to play the mirror at the GP : /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cait_Sith View Post
    That isn't possible. Taco Bell is like paying 0 for a draw 7.
    Yeah but a few hours later you discard your hand.
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    Yeah but a few hours later you discard your hand.
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