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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    This thread DOES NOT belong in the open forum. It has 3 pages full of conversation between mainly 2 people.

    Have you even tested against the tier 1 more than 5 times?

    This looks like a cute combo that will never be competitive because giving your opponent life is not a great plan. I understand the whole concept of the deck, but any creature removal, discard, counter or anything else competitive decks play, will beat this deck.

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    yeah, sad but true... the deck looks like it would roll over and die to swords + counterspell or swords + duress; the deck does look fun to play, honest; but fun decks aren't always competative.

    just my 2 cents on the matter (to coin a phrase).

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Well my deck dose not have much problem with swords to plow, duress, or
    counters. It wins games. This deck just comes down to timing. You need to
    know when to just run it as a agro deck and when to show your combo.

    Also what match ups do you want me to test against. Give me the decks and I will do it

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rack
    This looks like a cute combo that will never be competitive because giving your opponent life is not a great plan. I understand the whole concept of the deck, but any creature removal, discard, counter or anything else competitive decks play, will beat this deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The freak accident
    yeah, sad but true... the deck looks like it would roll over and die to swords + counterspell or swords + duress; the deck does look fun to play, honest; but fun decks aren't always competative.

    just my 2 cents on the matter (to coin a phrase).
    I was expecting somebody to show up and say that. This may look like a glass cannon that rolls over to disruption, but that's not true. In fact, it's quite the opposite, a very consistent deck. Consistent. Strong. Fast. Unfair.

    I have been playing this deck a lot against tier 1 decks, and it has a lot of positive matchups. Obviously, because casual players have developed a similar deck that is fun (read: not competitive), I know I need something to convice people. I'll post later some MWS logs I saved against some tier 1/2 decks (goblins, threshold, burn, solidarity, ichorid, spanish inquisition, TES) and also decks with discard/swords/counters like Tog and fish.

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    sounds like fun

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Game Log against Goblins (first game, concedes 2nd game due to mana screw while having 2 Aether vial in play, weird):

    0:00:00 [Kakarotto] It is now turn 1 (DrJones)
    0:00:00 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto rolled a 10, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:02 [DrJones] DrJones rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die

    (Kakarotto plays. He plays a mountain and an Aether Vial)

    0:00:23 [DrJones] DrJones untaps his/her permanents
    0:00:24 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:00:27 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
    0:00:29 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Bloodstained Mire
    0:00:30 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 19 (-1)
    0:00:34 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:00:36 [DrJones] DrJones plays Elvish Spirit Guide from Hand
    0:00:38 [DrJones] DrJones puts Elvish Spirit Guide to RFG from Play
    0:00:38 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:00:40 [DrJones] DrJones plays Wild Mongrel from Hand
    0:00:42 [DrJones] <DrJones> End my turn

    0:00:44 [Kakarotto] It is now turn 2 (Kakarotto)
    0:00:47 [Kakarotto] AEther Vial now has 1 (+1) counters.
    (here he plays another mountain and a goblin piledriver)

    0:00:56 [DrJones] It is now turn 3 (DrJones)
    0:00:59 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:01:18 [DrJones] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    0:01:19 [DrJones] DrJones taps Wild Mongrel
    0:01:27 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto's life total is now 18 (-2)
    0:01:38 [DrJones] <DrJones> End my turn
    0:01:40 [Kakarotto] It is now turn 4 (Kakarotto)
    0:01:42 [Kakarotto] AEther Vial now has 2 (+1) counters.
    0:01:43 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto draws a card
    0:01:47 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto plays Mountain from Hand
    0:01:47 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto taps Mountain
    0:01:50 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto plays AEther Vial from Hand
    0:01:51 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto taps Mountain
    0:01:52 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto plays Mogg Fanatic from Hand
    0:01:53 [Kakarotto] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    0:01:56 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto taps Goblin Piledriver
    0:01:58 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 18 (-1)
    0:01:59 [Kakarotto] <Kakarotto> End my turn
    0:02:01 [DrJones] It is now turn 5 (DrJones)
    0:02:04 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:02:07 [DrJones] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    0:02:08 [DrJones] DrJones taps Wild Mongrel

    (Kakarotto blocks wild mongrel with Mogg Fanatic here)

    0:02:21 [Kakarotto] <Kakarotto> And sacrifice...
    0:02:25 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto puts Mogg Fanatic to Graveyard from Play
    0:02:29 [DrJones] <DrJones> to it?
    0:02:32 [Kakarotto] <Kakarotto> Yeah.
    0:02:35 [DrJones] DrJones puts Forest to Graveyard from Hand
    0:02:40 [DrJones] Wild Mongrel is now 3/3
    0:02:47 [DrJones] <DrJones> wait, making numbers
    0:02:57 [DrJones] DrJones plays Invigorate from Hand
    0:03:13 [DrJones] <DrJones> +3 life
    0:03:14 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto's life total is now 14 (-4)
    0:03:18 [DrJones] Wild Mongrel is now 7/7
    0:03:23 [Kakarotto] Kakarotto's life total is now 17 (+3)

    (I discard 4 more cards to Mongrel)

    0:03:42 [DrJones] Wild Mongrel is now 11/11
    0:03:44 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:46 [DrJones] DrJones plays Berserk from Hand
    0:03:51 [DrJones] Wild Mongrel is now 22/11
    0:04:09 [Kakarotto] <Kakarotto> GG!

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    The previous log was too long, I'll cut more text from the next:

    TES (Empty the Warrens)

    0:00:03 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:04 [DrJones] DrJones rolled a 16, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:11 [DrJones] <DrJones> I'll let you go first
    0:00:16 [Fred[Ger]] It is now turn 2 (Fred[Ger])

    (here he cycles 2 street wraith and pays 4 life. Then shows me his hand as if he already won the match)

    0:00:37 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Land Grant from Hand
    0:00:50 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] puts Taiga into play from Library
    0:00:56 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Lotus Petal from Hand
    0:01:02 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] taps Taiga
    0:01:02 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Rite of Flame from Hand
    0:01:12 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Wild Cantor from Hand
    0:01:16 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] puts Simian Spirit Guide to RFG from Hand
    0:01:17 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] puts Wild Cantor to Graveyard from Play
    0:01:18 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Empty the Warrens from Hand

    (here he puts 10 goblin tokens into play)

    0:01:32 [DrJones] It is now turn 3 (DrJones)
    0:01:35 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:01:44 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bayou from Hand
    0:01:47 [DrJones] DrJones plays Lotus Petal from Hand
    0:01:48 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:01:50 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Lotus Petal
    0:01:53 [DrJones] DrJones plays Kavu Predator from Hand
    0:01:55 [DrJones] DrJones plays Skyshroud Cutter from Hand
    0:02:01 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger]'s life total is now 21 (+5)
    0:02:01 [DrJones] Kavu Predator now has 5 (+5) counters.
    0:02:07 [Fred[Ger]] It is now turn 4 (Fred[Ger])
    0:02:10 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] draws a card

    (here he assigns the 10 goblins to attack. I block/kill 2 and lose 8 life.)

    0:02:29 [DrJones] It is now turn 5 (DrJones)
    0:02:31 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:02:42 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bayou from Hand
    0:03:04 [DrJones] DrJones plays Lotus Petal from Hand
    0:03:05 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:06 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:08 [DrJones] DrJones plays Tarmogoyf from Hand
    0:03:28 [DrJones] Tarmogoyf is now 3/4
    0:03:42 [DrJones] DrJones taps Kavu Predator
    0:03:43 [DrJones] DrJones taps Skyshroud Cutter
    0:03:46 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger]'s life total is now 14 (-7)
    0:03:51 [Fred[Ger]] It is now turn 6 (Fred[Ger])
    0:03:54 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] draws a card
    0:03:58 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Lotus Petal from Hand
    0:04:00 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] taps Taiga
    0:04:01 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] puts Lotus Petal to Graveyard from Play
    0:04:01 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] plays Burning Wish from Hand
    0:04:16 [Fred[Ger]] Fred[Ger] puts Duress into play from Sideboard

    (here he attacks with 8 remaining goblins. I block 1 and lose 7 life)

    0:05:14 [DrJones] It is now turn 7 (DrJones)
    0:05:17 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:05:27 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
    0:05:29 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Bloodstained Mire
    0:05:30 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 4 (-1)
    0:05:34 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:05:38 [DrJones] Tarmogoyf is now 4/5
    0:05:44 [DrJones] DrJones taps Kavu Predator
    0:05:44 [DrJones] DrJones taps Skyshroud Cutter
    0:05:44 [DrJones] DrJones taps Tarmogoyf
    0:05:45 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:05:47 [DrJones] DrJones plays Berserk from Hand

    After the game, we have the following talk:

    0:06:03 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> g2 sb is senseless i think
    0:06:15 [DrJones] <DrJones> senseless? what do you mean?
    0:06:25 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> i was searching for tier 1 decks
    0:06:31 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> or tier 2 maybe
    0:06:49 [DrJones] <DrJones> This one works
    0:06:57 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> it does, i dont say that it doesnt
    0:07:05 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> but it doesnt work in any case
    0:07:12 [DrJones] <DrJones> Why?
    0:07:22 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> if i'd have finished with belcher u would have been dead years ago
    0:07:33 [DrJones] <DrJones> I've a sideboard against belcher
    0:07:47 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> another reason for not having a g2 :P
    0:08:04 [DrJones] <DrJones> Ok, if you don't want to test against this one, worse for you
    0:08:13 [Fred[Ger]] <Fred[Ger]> if u think so
    0:08:25 [<System>] <System> Player Lost

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    that happens a lot.
    my favorite is when they just say

    wow

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Faerie Stompy (this is an easy match because they kill themselves):

    0:00:01 [finley] finley rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:04 [DrJones] DrJones rolled a 1, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:15 [finley] finley plays Island from Hand
    0:00:20 [DrJones] It is now turn 2 (DrJones)
    0:00:24 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:00:26 [DrJones] DrJones plays Wooded Foothills from Hand
    0:00:30 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Wooded Foothills
    0:00:32 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 19 (-1)
    0:00:35 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:00:39 [DrJones] DrJones plays Lotus Petal from Hand

    (Here I cast a Kavu Predator, and he counters it with Force of Will removing a Cloud of Faeries and paying 1 life)

    0:01:09 [finley] It is now turn 3 (finley)
    0:01:32 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:01:33 [finley] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
    0:01:34 [finley] finley plays Ancient Tomb from Hand
    0:01:36 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:01:36 [finley] finley taps Ancient Tomb
    0:01:39 [finley] finley's life total is now 17 (-2)
    0:01:43 [finley] finley plays Serendib Efreet from Hand
    0:02:01 [DrJones] It is now turn 4 (DrJones)
    0:02:05 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:02:07 [DrJones] DrJones plays Wooded Foothills from Hand
    0:02:10 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Wooded Foothills
    0:02:11 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 18 (-1)
    0:02:15 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:02:17 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:02:19 [DrJones] DrJones plays Quirion Ranger from Hand
    0:02:23 [finley] It is now turn 5 (finley)
    0:02:26 [finley] finley's life total is now 16 (-1)
    0:02:26 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:02:28 [finley] finley plays Island from Hand
    0:02:34 [finley] finley taps Serendib Efreet
    0:02:36 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 15 (-3)
    0:02:40 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:02:40 [finley] finley taps Ancient Tomb
    0:02:40 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:02:41 [finley] finley's life total is now 14 (-2)
    0:02:42 [finley] finley plays Chalice of the Void from Hand
    0:02:45 [finley] Chalice of the Void now has 2 (+1) counters.

    (Kavu Predator countered, he has Serendib and Chalice for 2 in play... looks worrisome)

    0:02:49 [DrJones] It is now turn 6 (DrJones)
    0:02:52 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:03:02 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
    0:03:04 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Bloodstained Mire
    0:03:06 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 14 (-1)
    0:03:09 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:03:12 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:12 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:13 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:03:14 [DrJones] DrJones plays Elvish Spirit Guide from Hand

    (I attack with the quirion and finley's life becomes 13)

    0:03:23 [finley] It is now turn 7 (finley)
    0:03:24 [finley] finley's life total is now 12 (-1)
    0:03:25 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:03:33 [finley] finley taps Serendib Efreet
    0:03:36 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 11 (-3)
    0:03:51 [finley] finley taps Ancient Tomb
    0:03:52 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:03:54 [finley] finley's life total is now 10 (-2)
    0:03:55 [finley] finley plays Trinket Mage from Hand
    0:04:26 [finley] finley puts Engineered Explosives into play from Library
    0:04:32 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:04:35 [finley] Engineered Explosives now has 1 (+1) counters.

    0:04:38 [DrJones] It is now turn 8 (DrJones)
    0:04:41 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:04:54 [DrJones] <DrJones> Thinking
    0:04:59 [DrJones] <DrJones> End my turn

    (If I attack, he blocks Spirit Guide with Trinket Mage)

    0:05:03 [finley] It is now turn 9 (finley)
    0:05:04 [finley] finley's life total is now 9 (-1)
    0:05:05 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:05:22 [finley] finley taps Serendib Efreet
    0:05:22 [finley] finley taps Trinket Mage

    (I block Trinket with Quirion, as he will die to explosives otherwise.)

    0:05:37 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 8 (-3)
    0:06:03 [DrJones] It is now turn 10 (DrJones)
    0:06:06 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:06:09 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:06:11 [DrJones] DrJones plays Might of Old Krosa from Hand
    0:06:15 [finley] <finley> Thinking
    0:06:17 [finley] <finley> resp
    0:06:18 [finley] finley taps Ancient Tomb
    0:06:18 [finley] finley taps Island
    0:06:20 [finley] finley's life total is now 7 (-2)
    0:06:21 [finley] finley plays Thirst for Knowledge from Hand
    0:06:25 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:06:26 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:06:26 [finley] finley draws a card
    0:06:38 [finley] <finley> gg
    0:06:40 [<System>] <System> Player Lost

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Solidarity (This matchup is a true walk in the park):

    0:00:00 [n&#186;26] It is now turn 1 (n&#186;26)
    0:00:03 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 rolled a 10, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:05 [DrJones] DrJones rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die

    (his first 3 turns consist on playing 3 islands and pass the turn. My first 2 consist on playing a lotus petal, a forest, and a wooded foothills for bayou to cast an Elvish Spirit Guide that enters play)

    0:02:03 [DrJones] It is now turn 6 (DrJones)
    0:02:06 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:02:11 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:02:15 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Lotus Petal
    0:02:17 [DrJones] DrJones plays False Cure from Hand
    0:02:19 [DrJones] <DrJones> Ok?
    0:02:22 [n&#186;26] <n&#186;26> Thinking
    0:02:36 [n&#186;26] <n&#186;26> Ok
    0:02:39 [DrJones] DrJones plays Reverent Silence from Hand

    (here he discovers that he cannot counter the loss of life except with stifle. The only counter he runs is Remand, anyways)

    0:03:19 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26's life total is now 14 (-6)
    0:03:22 [DrJones] DrJones plays Invigorate from Hand
    0:03:46 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26's life total is now 11 (-3)
    0:03:55 [DrJones] DrJones plays Invigorate from Hand
    0:04:01 [DrJones] <DrJones> -3 vidas
    0:04:09 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26's life total is now 8 (-3)
    0:04:14 [DrJones] <DrJones> Spirit guide is 10/10
    0:04:18 [DrJones] DrJones taps Elvish Spirit Guide
    0:04:21 [n&#186;26] <n&#186;26> Wait!
    0:04:25 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 taps Island
    0:04:28 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 plays High Tide from Hand
    0:04:37 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 taps Island
    0:04:38 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 taps Island
    0:04:39 [n&#186;26] n&#186;26 plays Turnabout from Hand

    (he taps my elvish spirit guide in my main phase)

    0:04:52 [DrJones] DrJones taps Forest
    0:04:54 [DrJones] DrJones plays Quirion Ranger from Hand
    0:05:10 [DrJones] DrJones puts Forest to Hand from Play
    0:05:11 [DrJones] DrJones untaps Elvish Spirit Guide
    0:05:13 [DrJones] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    0:05:18 [DrJones] DrJones taps Elvish Spirit Guide
    0:05:18 [n&#186;26] DrJones taps Elvish Spirit Guide
    0:05:25 [n&#186;26] <n&#186;26> gg

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Decks like this are usually underrated.

    The ability to do several disgusting things, which share some of the same tools, generally looks worse on paper than it is.

    You can't rely on drawing a Kavu, or getting it huge.
    You can't rely on False Cure killing them outright.
    You can't rely on raping their eyesockets with Berserk.
    You can't rely on winning as a sub-par old-school stompy deck when nothing degenerate crops up.



    You can, however, rely on one of the above cropping up regularily. This is hardly the only deck that works on this principle: Goblins is, in many ways, a crappy midgame deck with chances to randomly do degenerate things (some fast enough to transcend the almost-dead archetype). There are just so many of them that it is reliable in its own way.

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    This one I don't know what deck he was playing:

    0:00:00 [DrJones] rolled a 16, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:00 [Watz] Watz rolled a 8, using a 20 sided die
    0:00:13 [Watz] It is now turn 1 (DrJones)
    0:00:23 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bayou from Hand
    0:00:24 [DrJones] DrJones plays Lotus Petal from Hand
    0:00:31 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Lotus Petal
    0:00:32 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:00:33 [DrJones] DrJones plays Kavu Predator from Hand

    0:00:53 [Watz] It is now turn 2 (Watz)
    0:00:54 [Watz] Watz draws a card
    0:00:57 [Watz] Watz plays Cloudpost from Hand
    0:01:01 [Watz] <Watz> End my turn

    0:01:02 [DrJones] It is now turn 3 (DrJones)
    0:01:05 [DrJones] DrJones draws a card
    0:01:07 [DrJones] DrJones plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
    0:01:09 [DrJones] DrJones sacrifices Bloodstained Mire
    0:01:11 [DrJones] DrJones's life total is now 19 (-1)
    0:01:16 [DrJones] DrJones puts Bayou into play from Library
    0:01:18 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:01:19 [DrJones] DrJones taps Bayou
    0:01:21 [DrJones] DrJones plays False Cure from Hand
    0:01:35 [DrJones] DrJones plays Reverent Silence from Hand
    0:01:37 [DrJones] DrJones plays Reverent Silence from Hand
    0:01:42 [DrJones] <DrJones> Ok?
    0:01:49 [DrJones] Kavu Predator now has 12 (+12) counters.
    0:01:59 [Watz] Watz's life total is now 10 (-10)
    0:02:00 [Watz] Watz's life total is now 8 (-2)
    0:02:02 [DrJones] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
    0:02:03 [DrJones] DrJones taps Kavu Predator
    0:02:08 [Watz] Watz's life total is now 0 (-8)
    0:02:13 [DrJones] <DrJones> g2?
    0:02:17 [<System>] <System> Player Lost

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Quote Originally Posted by Iranon View Post
    Decks like this are usually underrated.

    The ability to do several disgusting things, which share some of the same tools, generally looks worse on paper than it is.

    You can't rely on drawing a Kavu, or getting it huge.
    You can't rely on False Cure killing them outright.
    You can't rely on raping their eyesockets with Berserk.
    You can't rely on winning as a sub-par old-school stompy deck when nothing degenerate crops up.

    You can, however, rely on one of the above cropping up regularily. This is hardly the only deck that works on this principle: Goblins is, in many ways, a crappy midgame deck with chances to randomly do degenerate things (some fast enough to transcend the almost-dead archetype). There are just so many of them that it is reliable in its own way.
    You couldn't have stated it better. There are plenty more logs, but I think I can stop flooding the thread.

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    I've updated the first post with the most current decklist, and added info about the sideboard plan against other decks in the metagame. I think the thread can be promoted right now to the open forum, so I have sent a pm to a moderator for the move.

    Hope that brings more attention to the deck.

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    Good luck with that promotion. I mean that dubiously, since it doesn't tend to work that way. But this looks fun. I will try it tonight.
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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Hello everybody, I've played one local tournament with a GBr False Kavu deck, having great success with my decklist (1st out of 24). This is what I played

    Creatures:
    4x Kavu predator
    4x Kird ape
    4x Dark confidant
    3x Tarmogoyf
    3x Mire boa
    4x Skyshroud Cutter

    Spells:
    4x Invigorate
    2x False cure
    3x cabal therapy
    4x lightning bolt
    2x Umezawa's jitte
    2x putrefy
    1x reverent silence

    Lands:
    1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4x Wooded foothills
    3x Bloodstained mire
    3x Bayou
    2x Taiga
    1x Badland
    3x Forest
    1x Mountain
    1x Swamp
    1x Grove of the Burnwillows

    SB:
    4x Pyroclasm
    3x Duress
    3x Pithing needle
    2x Krosan grip
    1x False Cure
    2x Extirpate

    My meta consists in 3 Vial Goblins, 2 MBC, 2 UGb grow, 1 Fish, 2 2-land Belcher, 2 Red Death, 2 Affinity, 1 Psychatog and some other rogues. Comments are welcome

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Your deck is pretty similar to the one on the 2nd page that took 2nd place on another tournament, and looks solid with the card draw on Dark Confidant.

    Which cards from your build do you suggest to our builds?
    Which cards of our build would you include in your deck?
    Why cabal therapy over duress?
    Why only 2 false cure and 1 reverent silence?
    What about adding Fling to your deck?

    Edit: Congratulations for your 1st place, too!

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Quote Originally Posted by DrJones View Post
    Your deck is pretty similar to the one on the 2nd page that took 2nd place on another tournament, and looks solid with the card draw on Dark Confidant.

    Which cards from your build do you suggest to our builds?
    Which cards of our build would you include in your deck?
    Why cabal therapy over duress?
    Why only 2 false cure and 1 reverent silence?
    What about adding Fling to your deck?

    Edit: Congratulations for your 1st place, too!
    First of all thanks for the interest I'll do my best to answer your questions

    1. Try to squeeze the third color, best options being red for Lightning bolt (I hate first turn Lackey with all my heart), kird ape and pyroclasm coming from the board. Or white for swords to plowshares (good interaction with Kavu Predator) and Jotun Grunt for the beats and graveyard hate
    2. Berserk but I don't have any
    3. Duress is dead weight against goblins but I do bring them from the board for game 2 against counters and combo
    4. In my testing that's the best combination, remember I play a 3 color deck and revealing cmc 4 with confidant is... well you know... painful?
    5. I might borrow some flings if I play this again cause hate will be expected

    Once again thanks for the support and I hope I've answered all your questions

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Just for the sake of being excesive, I'm testing Dark Confidant in my build, too. I'm replacing the 2x Summoner's Pact and 1x Land Grant for 3x Dark Confidant.

    They look nice and is yet another card that eats Swords to Plowshares and Counters, card drawing in this deck is ridiculous, too, but now I definitely have too many 2cc cards in the deck, so I'm still testing them. I'm confident that they will enter my final decklist, though, as they have been featured on two winning decklists. I'm pretty happy about the improved consistency and most games I've lost today have been due to MWS randomly crashing my computer.

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    Re: [Deck] The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

    Quote Originally Posted by PhaerimmArchlord View Post
    may we all see the updated list?
    i really like the deck.
    i've been working on a G/W/B list of my own with STP and condem.
    thnx
    The update decklist is the one from the first post, but replacing 2x Summoner's Pact and 1x Land Grant for 3x Dark Confidant. I haven't updated yet the first post because I'm still testing them.

    I've been asked to post a budget decklist too, but I don't know how many people will be interested on it. Maybe once they ban Berserk again, heh.

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