I like having a e tutor wincon on its own like mobilization which is sweet with humility obviously. If you cut it you can run caltrops though which also combos with humility. The other option I've considered is the 4 cc white god thing that makes tokens. The need to win through bridge requirement is tough. If you've got moat your options increase. G1 I'm fine just relying on helm to win.
I've never actually run words but I really want to for fun. Abundance is OK on its own then broken with library...or two of them.
Those two are interesting but I feel like four drops in this deck need to win you the game. For me that's planes walkers, helm, humility, possibly abundance. Moat if you've got one depending on meta.
I think I'll run this on Tuesday, haven't run sylvan Quinn in months.
That's absolutely true. That would be the main reason to play mobi'
I hate Caltrops. To me it's exactly a card that doesn't do anything on it's own. At best it prevent Young Pizy+tokens to attack... meh... AND it costs !!! Eurk...
Yeah I thought about Heliod for a while, but the Indestructible upgrade doesn't seem that good compared to an increase of CMC and token cost. Also we can't really have the devotion reliably.
Does it mean you would be okay putting all your alternate wincons in the side?
I see that's indeed a way to make good use of redundant Libraries.
Following-up our discussion yesterday I wonder if it wouldn't be worth trying a "Gideon-Package".
If you take my previous list, I would go as follow:
-Elspeth + Gideon AoZ
-mobi' -O-ring +2 Gideon otT
Plus the already existing Gideon, that would be 4 Gideon. Koplinchen is testing 3 in their MWC list.
I don't know what the critical mass would be to abuse the "you can't lose the game" emblem.
I don't now, I might test that in a near futur.
I'm completely fine running just rip helm md. It's getting one surgical'd g2 or otherwise stopped which is an issue.
Gideon is excellent, I'll try to borrow some for Tuesday. Never ran it cuz I don't own them.
I went 2-2 yesterday.
Won VS Miracles and Antiquities War. Lost to Jund and Elves (I'm actually extremely fucking pissed about this one. At some point I lost my focus, which led me to an incredible punt G2 which made me lose the game, which made me lose the whole match. I hate myself about this).
Overall the deck went great:
-Scrying sheets was stellar the whole day.
-triple choke in the side VS Miracles isn't overrated.
VS Jund 4LL side was good, but it's still a bad match up with Decay/A-trophy. In the end, with the number of enchantment removal I faced, I'm quite tempted to replace the Nevermore with Sterling Grove. I will sleep on this.
I don't know about this. It seem to me that you're willing to lose a lot of SideBoard space for this. But whatever, it could be a matter of playstyle.
Last edited by aedemiel; 03-15-2019 at 04:43 AM.
2-2 is fine **** happens, keep calm and carry on! Elves is normally a good matchup. They can't get rid of scepter chant or bridge or humility game one. Chant counters glimpse. I beat elves in my last round when I went 4-0. Then the next Tuesday I beat elves again on camera (twitch link is on the previous page or two).
Also all of my advice should be taken with a large grain of salt . You're probably right that no alt wincon md is bad.
Dusted off Sylvan Quinn with my signed scrying sheets to an impressive 1-2...beat enchantress then lost to miracles and buried phoenix. I borrowed gideons...never used them and didn't manage to draw ohran viper with sheets .
Lands:
8x snow plains
5x snow forest
4x scrying sheets
4x windswept heath
1x temple garden
1x desert
consistency:
4 sylvan library
3 enlightened tutor
Protection:
2 mana tithe
2 unexpectedly absent
4 swords
2 ensnaring bridge
1 humility
2 isochron scepter
3 orim's chant
1 abeyance
1 porphyry nodes
1 abundance
1 choke
1 runed halo
Combo:
4 rest in peace
4 helm of obedience
Alt win:
1 gideon
SB: 15
1 ohran viper
2 oblivion ring
1 choke
2 wrath of god
1 humility
1 ethersworn canonist
1 gideon
1 elspeth
1 carpet of flowers
1 aegis of honor
1 leyline of sanctity
1 porphyry nodes
1 mobilisation
Don't give up!
Overall I think your list isn't exactly tuned for heavy control MU (like Miracles).
About the list:
I really don't like Mana Tithe. I think it's a dead card a lot of the time.
How were the 2 scepters MD? Do you side them out a lot?
Also, curious about Desert. How was it?
Ohran Viper???
Why? How? Against what???
I also have severall question about your side, but it's probably meta-dependent.
Mana tithe is terrible but no one expects it and helps you not lose early where the deck is weak.
You can draw ohran viper with Scrying sheets .
Desert is old tech, ran it for nostalgia.
Yes, scepter is often my first cut but it's very good md.
Went 3-1 yesterday with this as aforementioned "Chaddeon" list:
Won match one VS UR Delver 2-1
G1: Opponent as medium pressure and I just "Oops-I-Win".
G2: This time the pressure was much better with an early Pyromancer and Wee Dragonauts. I keep a long distance with a Gideon fortress (Emblem+Token every turn) but can't seem to find an answer. TNN seal the deal.
G3: The pressure was good again, but he burnt his ressources a bit too fast. I "Oops-I-Win"while he only had one card in hand.
Won match two VS DnT 2-0
G1: My opponed kept a hand with two vials but no Thalia. I get a lucky Humility and Helm my way to the win.
G2: Opponent kept a risky one lander with one vial. He casts a T4 Hokori, Dust Drinker (hell that's a blast from the past!). At this point they have Hokori, Thalia, SFM and a Jitte they can't equip because of Hokori. I do the maths and count that he can't kill me before I wipe the board. I slowly untap my lands and cast à 5 mana Wrath of God. I then proceed to get the best lock in the world with Humility, Bridge with hellbent, small Gideon "You-can't-lose-the-game" Emblem.
Won match three VS Phoenix Storm 2-0
G1: I keep a T2 RiP and cast a T4 Choke. Opponent durdles a bit and conceded when he saw the "Oops-I-Win" Helm T5.
G2:I keep a solid hand and it went as such:
T0: Leyline
T1: Tutor
T2: Canonist
T3: Choke
T4 Orim
Opponent conceded.
Lost the final VS Grixis Delver 0-2
G1: He casts a TNN and counters the few ways I have to interact with it. I'm at 12 when I think I can maybe stabilize but my opponent showed me 3 bolts.
G2:I mulligan a no-lander and keep a terrible 6 with 3 4-mana spells. I think I could mayyyybeeee get a lucky Helm kill but my draws are terrible.
The list behaved nicely. Gideon didn't have the time to shine much but I feel like 4 could be too much. I might end up cutting one small Gid' if I feel 3 is the right number.
I finished second on 18 players. Not too bad, although I will probably play something else next week to take a break from all the "You just got lucky" and "Your deck is so bad".
Last edited by aedemiel; 03-23-2019 at 04:25 AM.
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