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    Re: [Article] Unlocking Legacy - Where do we go from here?

    I play Goblins when I play and if I can't get my hands on Enchantress. The deck is still pretty nuts, if you're not running absolute jank like MD CotV.

    There's probably some connection between running bad cards and losing to Threshold with Goblins. Just maybe.
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    Right and let's look to the sideboard games. Not only would Tormod's Crypt instead of Grunt not helped win any extra games, but running Crypt instead of Grunt would have lost games. Chalice vs Tinkerer was not an issue in the post-sb games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anusien View Post
    Right and let's look to the sideboard games. Not only would Tormod's Crypt instead of Grunt not helped win any extra games, but running Crypt instead of Grunt would have lost games. Chalice vs Tinkerer was not an issue in the post-sb games.
    Anusien, your reasoning here is flawed. If you didn't run Grunt, you would still have Goblins in your deck because Tormod's Crypt isn't effective and thus isn't boarded in. By sideboarding in non-Goblins cards you are weakening your internal synergies. If Crypt isn't effective, have you tried adding something like Ib Halfheart. The card is already played in some lists as an answer to Threshold that still happens to be extremely effective against Tarmogoyf (usually in combination with other cards.

    I suppose the underlying question is why did you disregard known synergistic technology for Jotun Grunt?
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    Re: [Article] Unlocking Legacy - Where do we go from here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anusien
    But even if you accept that, I cannot understand the desire to play U/G/W Threshold at the most recent StarCityGames.com Duel for Duals, for example. It is almost certain that Goblins players are going to outnumber combo players, especially at the top tables.
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    You aren't sure why people were playing UGW Threshold? Maybe because it was winning. It put two into the Top4 at Duel for Duals that you are talking about.

    I'm still confused whether you think Threshold can beat Goblins? You seemed to have stated over and over that it can't really beat Goblins. Are you saying that Tarmogoyf makes it so that Threshold can beat Goblins? At least better late than never.

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    Re: [Article] Unlocking Legacy - Where do we go from here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anusien View Post
    I'm not convinced Hooligan is optimal. I was using Tinkerers there; they are better in some matchups and worse in others. Regardless the slots and sideboarding I was playing with replaced that slot, so whether I run Tinkerer or Tin-Street is literally irrelevant.
    Plus, I'm pretty sure if you play the deck at all, you want White in the Sideboard.
    Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us with specific examples in matchups where Tinkerer is the better choice. The mirror match? Stompy with Jitte?? What about against decks not playing artifacts?

    Id really like to hear a debate amoungst you and Machinus over the color splash. What reasons do you run white exactly? Disenchant is irrelavant weaponery compared with Krosan Grip. Armageddon doesnt have a place in our modern metagame unless powered out early and supported (geddon stax).

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    ???

    I've been playing 3 hooligans for months.
    I forgot you include the green splash now. I remember it taking you some time to make the change since you also seemed determined to run Tinkerer.

    The Modern Goblins Primer you wrote is a mono red list. Will you be making an adjustment to this series on Goblins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bane of the Living View Post
    I forgot you include the green splash now. I remember it taking you some time to make the change since you also seemed determined to run Tinkerer.

    The Modern Goblins Primer you wrote is a mono red list. Will you be making an adjustment to this series on Goblins?
    I played monored last year, but in early 2007 I decided I needed grips in the SB, and I started playing hooligans MD. I still think Tinkerer is a great card, but everyone learned to kill it immediately so I stopped using them.

    The primer I wrote was not for a monored deck. It was a general shell that could include any splash, or none at all. The list I provided later could have easily been made from those two articles. I even mentiond in them how I wanted to cut Mogg Fanatic and potentially one of the colorless lands. I tried to write a transparent and comprehensive primer on the deck and I think I did that.

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    Chalice is weak in the goblins vs threshold matchup unless you get it to stick turn 2. Playing with Bardo to convince me of that. It's so pathetic afterwards that I honestly would not even side it in.
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    So bring in Ib Halfheart or Goblin Goon. Christ.
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    I have a possible format breaker, but sadly I don't know the contact info for the legacy players here in Virginia to discuss such a breakthrough. So if the Hatfields, Anwar, all you kiddies see this send me a message.
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    Re: [Article] Unlocking Legacy - Where do we go from here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaheenSoorani View Post
    I have a possible format breaker, but sadly I don't know the contact info for the legacy players here in Virginia to discuss such a breakthrough. So if the Hatfields, Anwar, all you kiddies see this send me a message.
    Oh, it's real easy! You click on that person's name and send them a Private Message about your deck. They'll read that message, click Reply and discuss it further with you. The Internet is awesome! Also, if you really think you have a contender, you might want to make a new thread and get feedback from the many people who read this message board! Good luck!
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