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    About Storm triggers...

    When do we check the Storm count, before the storm triggered ability resolves? After?

    I mean, if I play a spell in response to storm triggering, does it increase the storm count?
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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    Nope. When you play the spell, the storm count is checked at that number. It won't matter if you play a spell even before passing priority. You HAVE to play all the spells before you play the Storm spell.

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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    Ok thanks, I was just thinking about swording a creature of mine to gain life after the opponent casts Tendrils...
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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    Here's the relevant ruling.

    502.30.Ruling.1 - The number of copies is determined when this spell is played (announced) and only counts spells played (announced) before it was. Ones placed on the stack afterwards do not change this. [D'Angelo 2003/04/30]

    So Deep6er is completely correct.

    However, I personally think this is a hideously stupid rule that is completely counterintuitive to the structure of magic as we know it, and I think the storm trigger should check the spells played upon the trigger's resolution and not the spell's announcement. However, much to my surprise, this is not the case.

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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    It's better to quote rules rather than "rulings". Magic (for the most part) works from rules.

    502.30. Storm

    502.30a. Storm is a triggered ability that functions on the stack. "Storm" means "When you play this spell, put a copy of it onto the stack for each other spell that was played before it this turn. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any of the copies."
    Note "each other spell that was played before it this turn". It's all in the wording of the ability.

    If it had said "each other spell played this turn", it would work as you might think it would. You can't somehow go back in time and play spells before a spell, though.

    It might be counter-intutive to some people (it isn't to me), but do you need Storm to be even more absurd than it is? It's a pretty good bet they count the spells played before the Storm spell purely to keep the power level in check.
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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    Storm would be way more insane then it already is if a Stifle and a Counter war played out after the Empty the Warrens increased the storm count of the warrens.

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    Re: About Storm triggers...

    No, Brain Freeze would be very very slightly better. In Legacy, decks that play EtW or Tendrils don't fight counterwars - except maybe for Pyroblast.
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