[Deck] Boros Deck Wins

[Rinello]

Hi, I'm a new poster but I lurked this forum for quite a long time..
please forgive my english, 'cause I'm from Italy.

I'd like to post my boros deck list with card by card analysis,
because I belive that Boros deck can actually WIN in legacy.

please feel free to comment (or to demonstrate that boros will never be competitive!)

ok, let's start:

4 Lightning Helix
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Magara of Corondor
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Isamaru, hound of Konda
4 Goblin Legionnaire
4 Savannah Lions
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Silver Knight
2 Jotun Grunt
2 Char
4 Knight of Meadowgrain

4 Plateau
4 Sacred Foundry
3 karakas
3 Flagstones of Trokair
6 Fetchlands

SB:
4 Tormod's crypt
4 Orim chant
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Cryoclasm


now card by card:

4 Lightning Helix
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Char

Looks to me like a good burn base.
i really love Helix, bolt is an auto 4 of and about char..
i love it when It brings Jotun, Werebear, shades &co to the 'yard.
notice that i play in a MASSIVE aggro meta.
Lot of White Weenie, Pikula and Affinity

4 Magara of corondor
actually I love Mangara, He (she?) can help me removing every treath,
while chump blocking and play with karakas to combo.
sometime I use it to attack (and humiliate my opponent ofc )

2 Jitte
This deck is very creatures based, so jitte is an auto include..
also my meta is full of jitte, so i can use mine to destroy other's.
(also there is sinergy with karakas)

2 Isamaru, hound of Konda
same as above, is just plain a good card and works perfectly with karakas.

4 Goblin Legionnaire
I love it, he is Mogg's Big Bro, he is always a threat, auto 4 of in a boros deck.

4 Savannah Lions
2/1 for W. Vanilla with Sharp Teeth (tm) !!

4 Mogg Fanatic
I just don't know, atm I like them to ista_kill Confidant
but I think that 2 Javeliners and 2 lava dart would provide card advantage while being more solid. I just don't know..

4 Silver Knight
auto 4 of. they survive very good, they are solid and usefull.
there is a dedicated slot to "drop 2 knight everlasting"..
I just don't know if I must drop silver knight for Blood Knight, White Knight, Holy Nimbus etc...

2 Jotun Grunt
they beat hard, and they are just 2.
I know, maybe this is not the right choice, maybe this is not a 2X..
Hope this forum helps!

4 Knight of Meadowgrain
Testing them resulted in a lot of "win more" situations.
they are good, but less reliable. Colour protected knights maybe will be a better choice. Maybe Vial could serve me good too.

4 Plateau
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Karakas
3 Flagstones of trokair
6 Fetchlands

About manabase.. I dropped wastelands: This deck is too much colour dependent.. also i removed 4 molten rain because I'd rather punch my opponent turning my creatures sideway than destroy his manabase.
flagstones are just a test, while 3 karakas are very good:
I have to protect myself from cataclysm and sink hole,
while bouncing opponent's Jitte and my Isamaru back.

SB:
Here is where I need help the most.
my meta is full of pikula, white weenie, with some red burn, solidarity and affinity..
So I think that cryoclasm, orim and swords to plowshares are just great..

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About other cards I would like to try but I haven't tested yet:

-4 Aether vial
-4 Holy Nimbus/Blood Knight/Black Knight/ any cool drop 2
-4 Soltary priest (actually I don't like them much..)
-4 Oblivion Ring (Better than Mangara?? )
-4 Pillage/molten rain (they look like the best land disrupt)



also I have to emphasize that I's love to keep my deck as a 2 color deck.
(so NO please don't tell me how good B for confidant and U for brainstorm are good.. I know it, i just want to make the best Boros deck for my gameplay and my meta)

Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
Andrew "Rhino" Rossi.

[Wallace]

First of all welcome to the source! Just so ya know this prob. belongs in the New Deck Forum.

I love playing BDW (Boros Deck Wins), I played it at GP Columbus to an 5-4 match record. I lost to Flash, Fish, Belcher, and Random Deck w/ main Board Worship and Silver Knights. I beat Burn, Goblins, Flash, Dead Guy Ale, and Bad Sliver Aggro. I know my list is closer to Zoo then BTW, but adding green is amazing. Your list looks ok but needs some improvment. Here is the list I ran at the GP and at Kadi's DLD 2:

4 Kird Ape
3 Watchwolf
3 Isamaru, hound of Konda
3 Savannah Lions
3 Jotun Grunts
3 Silver Knight

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Helix
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Fireblast
3 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Platue
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Mountain

If I was going to play this deck again it would look something like this:

4 Kird Ape
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Isamaru, hound of Konda
3 Savannah Lions
3 Jotun Grunts
3 Samurai of the Pale Curtain

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Helix
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Fireblast


4 Platue
2 Savannah
3 Taiga
4 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
1 Plains

[ClearSkies]

For the Thread creator's list...

Where are the Chain Lightning and Fireblast?
Mangara seems like out of place in the Boros Deck...

Your Karakas are basically useless unless you draw a Mangara.

In an environment of Swords to Plowshares, wouldn't Blood Knight also be good?

Also, just because you are from Italy doesn't mean you can't follow capitalization rules. Apparently, capitalization for proper names in Italian is similar to English, at least described here: http://www.amadioinc.com/news01Q1.pdf

[Rinello]

@ Sacearuse:
Thank You!
I really liked your Boros/Zoo RWG list, particularly Kird Ape and Tarmogoyf (Tarmo is a big menace, with no drawback) but I want to try the RW version a lot (with different lists) before changing to 3 color based deck.
I'll try as soon as possible with 4 chain lightning and 2 fireblast,
but I'd like to keep my deck full of creatures.
What can I kick out of the deck? Char and Mangara?
Char => 2 Fireblast seems fair.
but what about Mangara? is THAT bad? To me he's like a Mini_Vindicate..

@ClearSkies:
As You Can See From My First Post,
My name is Andrew and my Nickname Rinello: Hello!
Chain Lightning and Fireblast are, as You can see, OUT of my list.
Thank You for the notice! I'll try them both very soon, as Sacearuse also pointed out, they are a self include in a Boros Deck
(4X Chain Lightning and 2X fireblast)
About Karakas, as i said before, I think they are nice against some land removal, as a legendary permanent bounce (Jitte) and as a protection for my legendary creatures (Isamaru, Hound of Konda).
Blood Knight? Is very very good and I think I'll kick kithkin knight out for them.

Also, I am from Italy and I intend to use Your Capitalization rules as much as I can, trust me.
I'll never break a rule so important, I'll do my best, just have a little more patience, that's it.

[Soto]

Karakas' new Oracle Text says that it only bounces legendary creatures. It's still a good card, but probably not in Boros.

[Wallace]

@Rinello

Just so you know man, Nickrit2000 and I have both played a lot of Boros in Standard and Extended, I am the only one who has played it in Legacy. Adding green to the deck makes it so much better. Kird Ape is amazing and Tarmogoyf is, well its Tarmogoyf. If you want to run a st8 R/W Boros deck then try this:

4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4 Goblin Legionnaire
3 Isamaru, hound of Konda
3 Savannah Lions
3 Soltari Priest
2 Jotun Grunts

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Helix
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Fireblast
3 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Platue
2 Sacred Foundry
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Plains
2 Mountain

[Rinello]

@Rinello

Just so you know man, Nickrit2000 and I have both played a lot of Boros in Standard and Extended, I am the only one who has played it in Legacy. Adding green to the deck makes it so much better. Kird Ape is amazing and Tarmogoyf is, well its Tarmogoyf. If you want to run a st8 R/W Boros deck then try this:

4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4 Goblin Legionnaire
3 Isamaru, hound of Konda
3 Savannah Lions
3 Soltari Priest
2 Jotun Grunts

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Helix
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Fireblast
3 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Platue
2 Sacred Foundry
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Plains
2 Mountain

I'll try it very soon with green! 2 bad I sold my 4 tarmo (needed some ca$h) so now will be VERY hard to find them..

About your list: looks solid and fast, but I would like to know why Samurai of The Pale Courtain and Soltari Priest are better than Silver knight.
Also: Is Grim Lavamancer a bad choice? (obv if I don't play Samurai of The Pale Courtain) and what about aether vial?
Thank You.


@ Kuja: THANK YOU now I know that karakas is near useless :)
1 more flagstone and some basic lands will do fine i guess!

[blitz]

Also, just because you are from Italy doesn't mean you can't follow capitalization rules. Apparantly, capitalization for proper names in Italian is similar to English according to here: http://www.amadioinc.com/news01Q1.pdf

The first instance should be an e, and the second instance would be better as this.

I always find it amusing when someone corrects another's spelling or grammar, and makes those same mistakes while doing so.

In the future, please proofread your post before hitting the submit reply button.

Anyway, I'm not so sure the Sacred Foundries are necessary, nor the full 8 fetch lands. Also, seeing as the curve is really low, is there room for Wasteland here, or will it just get in the way? It seems to have enough mana sources to support it, but I can imagine that a Wasteland and a Plateau in your first seven would be annoying if you wanted to get that Goblin Legionnaire or SotPC out on turn two.

[ClearSkies]

The first instance should be an e, and the second instance would be better as this.

I always find it amusing when someone corrects another's spelling or grammar, and makes those same mistakes while doing so.

In the future, please proofread your post before hitting the submit reply button.

Anyway, I'm not so sure the Sacred Foundries are necessary, nor the full 8 fetch lands. Also, seeing as the curve is really low, is there room for Wasteland here, or will it just get in the way? It seems to have enough mana sources to support it, but I can imagine that a Wasteland and a Plateau in your first seven would be annoying if you wanted to get that Goblin Legionnaire or SotPC out on turn two.

Actually, they aren't the same. Anyways...

If you haven't noticed, barely any of the spells have colorless mana in their cost. Wasteland would seem like a bad idea here since it only produce colorless. Outside of Jitte, Wasteland can't use the colorless mana for anything.

Seems like Wasteland is a tempo lost to me.

[Jsang]

Hello, I just join this forum as it is so informative.

Stick to the thread, I really like playing with Boros Deck, but I prefer the build which is closed to Sligh. In my experience (so far causal), I think the most successful part of the deck is its lightning fast speed which composed of cheap creatures and burn. Every time I just need to deal 8-10 damages with my dudes and burn the rest.

Here is my build of Boros,

Creatures (24)
4 Savannah Lions
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Legionnaire
4 Isamaru, hound of Konda
4 Dark Confidant

Burn (16)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Helix

Others (2)
2 Engineered Explosives <-- can be everything

Mana (18)
10 Fetches <-- fuel Lavamancer and thin deck
4 Plateau
1 Badland
1 Scrubland
2 Mountain

No StP please, I don't want to see my opponent gain any life, and Jittle is very strong but a bit slow for me. Green splash for Tarmogoyf is fetching but still not as worth as Bob for me. This deck is close to the old theory/ convention of Sligh, with a third creature/ burn/ lands ratio, counting some 'burn' creture. My build is far from perfect and I believe this deck has much room to improve.