3cb #7

[KillemallCFH]

By the way...what is the Aether Vial for in the following deck ?

Isamaru
Karakas
Aether Vial

So you can a) Play Isamaru with Karakas still untapped to save him from removal and b) so if you do have to save him from removal, he comes back the same turn.

@Illusius: Yeah, that was the first thing that came to my mind too after I saw how badly this deck did. I was just pissed at my deck at the time and decided to make an (incorrect) blanket statement, saying that they all suck.

[Wallace]

Wow my last second entry did that well? I hope these results are accurate cuz I really just threw this together and turned it in with out much thought.

[etrigan]

Gambit: You're right. I thought I could attack, and Ring your Factory after you blocked. I cant. Sorry for the mistake.

georgjorge: Again, you're right. Sorry.

Edited my results. Doing pretty bad now.

[Xero]

Sorry for forgetting my name, (rdrignel) is me. Anyways:

1. Eldariel - Preach Me a River
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

LL

2. KillemallCFH - Burnage
Chandra Nalaar
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
WW

3. Technogeek5000 - p0x0rZ
Black lotus
Delerium skeins illegal! (replace with basic land of choice)
Nether spirit
WW

4. georgjorge - Mono White Control
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

LL

5. Mordenkain - 3cb Suicide.dec
Skittering Skirge
Peat Bog
Diabolic Edit

LL, I think.

6. Illissius - Idle Torture
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture

WW

7. Gambit - Electric Kool-Aid
Dreadship Reef
Mishra's Factory
Confiscate

WW



9. etrigan - In That Order
Black Lotus
Treasure Hunter
Oblivion Ring

nice. LL

10. SpatulaOfTheAges - Disco Super Fly
Black Lotus
Swamp Masquito
Maze of Ith

WW

11. Versus -
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Karakas
Aether Vial

WW

12. Sacearuse - Basic Plains?
Mishra's Factory
Snow-Covered Plains
Swords to Plowshares

LL

36 points.

[Mordenkain]

1. Eldariel - Preach Me a River
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

WW - 6 points

2. KillemallCFH - Burnage
Chandra Nalaar
Black Lotus
City of Traitors

LL - 6 points

3. Technogeek5000 - p0x0rZ
Black lotus
Delerium skeins illegal! (replace with basic land of choice)
Nether spirit

WW - 12 points

4. georgjorge - Mono White Control
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

WW - 18 points

5. Mordenkain - 3cb Suicide.dec
Skittering Skirge
Peat Bog
Diabolic Edit

ME!

6. Illissius - Idle Torture
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture

LL - 18 points

7. Gambit - Electric Kool-Aid
Dreadship Reef
Mishra's Factory
Confiscate

LL - 18 points

8. (rdrignel?) - Swallow It
Black Lotus
Mana Vault
Sky Swallower

WW - 24 points

9. etrigan - In That Order
Black Lotus
Treasure Hunter
Oblivion Ring

LL - 24 points

10. SpatulaOfTheAges - Disco Super Fly
Black Lotus
Swamp Masquito
Maze of Ith

DD - 26 points

11. Versus -
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Karakas
Aether Vial

WW - 32 points

12. Sacearuse - Basic Plains?
Mishra's Factory
Snow-Covered Plains
Swords to Plowshares

DD - 34 points


34 points.

Bah. I thought the 7 turn clock combined with creature removal would have been better. =(

[Versus]

edit: I'm not sure I understand how to figure out how I've done. However I see that everyone I've played are getting WW's and DD's against me, so I'll assume badly.

[Wallace]

1.Eldariel - Preach Me a River
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher
WW 6 (6)

2. KillemallCFH - Burnage
Chandra Nalaar
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
WW 6 (12)

3. Technogeek5000 - p0x0rZ
Black lotus
Delerium skeins illegal! (replace with basic land of choice)
Nether spirit
WW 6 (18)

4. georgjorge - Mono White Control
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher
WW 6 (24)

5. Mordenkain - 3cb Suicide.dec
Skittering Skirge
Peat Bog
Diabolic Edit
DD 2 (26)

6. Illissius - Idle Torture
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture
LL 0 (26)

7. Gambit - Electric Kool-Aid
Dreadship Reef
Mishra's Factory
Confiscate
LL 0 (26)

8. Xero - Swallow It
Black Lotus
Mana Vault
Sky Swallower
WW 6 (32)

9. etrigan - In That Order
Black Lotus
Treasure Hunter
Oblivion Ring
DD 2 (34)

10. SpatulaOfTheAges - Disco Super Fly
Black Lotus
Swamp Masquito
Maze of Ith
DD 2 (36)

11. Versus -
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Karakas
Aether Vial
DD 2 (38)

12. Sacearuse - Basic Plains?
Mishra's Factory
Snow-Covered Plains
Swords to Plowshares

So looks like 38 total. If anyone thinks my results are wrong, please lmk.

[technogeek5000]

woops. I loved playing that deck on TMD and just kind of forgot about that rule. I think we should go for the point deduction thing like TMD had for breaking rules and just have maybe 1 or 2 absolutely banned cards to prevent people from playing lotus/rack/balance while still letting them play fun thing like mage. I realy liked the meta we had on TMD.

[Illissius]

The banned-cards-for-points system on TMD was just a temporary thing to shake things up, we went through all kinds of formats there. And yeah, I'm considering trying some different ones here as well.

Versus: Basically, each "player" only has three cards, and has perfect information (knows the opponent's hand and everything), so you can always determine the best play for each player with certainty. So each player makes the best plays, and then either one of them wins, or it's a draw. What are you unclear about specifically?

[Versus]

I'm unclear how to get actual results. Am I supposed to play the games out myself? Like with proxies or on MWS.

[Wallace]

I'm unclear how to get actual results. Am I supposed to play the games out myself? Like with proxies or on MWS.

Right, or just figure it out in your head, most of them are easy to figure out. Icould do it for ya if ya want.

[Versus]

Thanks Sacearuse, lemme give it go first.

etrigan - In That Order
Black Lotus
Treasure Hunter
Oblivion Ring

Turn 1

-On the draw:etrigan plays Lotus, sacs lotus, plays treasure hunter, retrieves lotus, passes the turn.

-I would play Karakas, Aether Vial, pass the turn.

Turn 2

-etrigan attacks for 2 (18), Plays Lotus, sacs Lotus, O-Rings my Vial, passes the turn.

-I would Play Isamaru, pass the turn.

Turn 3

-etrigan attacks for 2 (16), passes turn.

- (If I were attack here it would be a race to the finish in which he would win as he's already up 4 life, right?) I pass the turn.

Turn 4

-(If he attacks, I block, damage on the stack return Isamaru killing Hunter. I recast him next turn and win) Passes the turn.

-(If I attack here he wouldn't block so were back to racing again) Passes turn.

Result: Draw???

If that's right, then I'll give the others a go. If that's totally backwards, then maybe you better do and I shouldn't enter again. LOL

[Wallace]

Looks like all the results are in and the final standings look like:

7. Gambit - Electric Kool-Aid
Dreadship Reef
Mishra's Factory
Confiscate

56 points

6. Illissius - Idle Torture
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
Wheel of Torture

54 points

12. Sacearuse - Basic Plains?
Mishra's Factory
Snow-Covered Plains
Swords to Plowshares

38 points

8. Xero - Swallow It
Black Lotus
Mana Vault
Sky Swallower

36 points

5. Mordenkain - 3cb Suicide.dec
Skittering Skirge
Peat Bog
Diabolic Edit

36 points

1. Eldariel - Preach Me a River
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

29 points

4. georgjorge - Mono White Control
Black Lotus
Glowrider
Preacher

29 points

9. etrigan - In That Order
Black Lotus
Treasure Hunter
Oblivion Ring

27 points

10. SpatulaOfTheAges - Disco Super Fly
Black Lotus
Swamp Masquito
Maze of Ith

22 points

11. Versus -
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Karakas
Aether Vial

22 points

2. KillemallCFH - Burnage
Chandra Nalaar
Black Lotus
City of Traitors

18 points

3. Technogeek5000 - p0x0rZ
Black lotus
Delerium skeins illegal! (replace with basic land of choice)
Nether spirit

6 points

[etrigan]

Is Eldariel really 5 points a better player than georgjorge?

[Wallace]

Is Eldariel really 5 points a better player than georgjorge?

Nope, sombody can't add, standings fixed.

[Illissius]

There's definitely some errors in the wiki -- 7 vs. 8 and 4 vs. 5 both have wins recorded against each other, just looking at the main diagonal. If you swap the row and column numbers for any given matchup you should find the opposite result (6-0, 4-1, 3-3, or 2-2).

[Wallace]

There's definitely some errors in the wiki -- 7 vs. 8 and 4 vs. 5 both have wins recorded against each other, just looking at the main diagonal. If you swap the row and column numbers for any given matchup you should find the opposite result (6-0, 4-1, 3-3, or 2-2).

Point out any more that you see and I will fix them, I played out the matchs and fixed the standings accordlingly.

[Illissius]

9 vs. 1 was the only other inconsistency I found, so I fixed that. If anyone notices anything else, do say.

[Wallace]

Shouldn't My deck (#12) have 2 points for a dbl draw against deck 7?

He confiscates my factory and I just swords it or he steals my plains and I can't activate Factory.

[Van Phanel]

He still has his own Factory then, so he actually will win.