Suppose this situation:
I'm playing some sort of stax or whatever, with a Sylvan Library out. Specifically, a 5th Sylvan Library. My opponent plays a Pithing Needle, it resolves, he names Sylvan Library, I say "OK."
Did I do anything wrong? He did not ask if it worked or if it was an activated ability. I did not lie or provide false information of any kind.
Nope, not your fault. Had he asked for clarification then yes. However, your opponent should be knowledgeable, and if he doesn't know, that's his problem. It's unfortunate, but it's the rules.
A player can always ask for the current oracle wording of a card from a judge.
What if my opponent asks "Can I needle your Lightning Rift?" ?
I mean, technically you can choose any card with needle, it sometimes just won't have an effect. May I say "Sure, you can", or do I have to explain the difference between activated and trigggered abilities to him?
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That is a good question. I guess you could technically get away with saying "yes you can target it". It would probably be considered as a shady move on your part considering if he is asking it is probably a noob. Then again they need to learn somehow.
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Originally Posted by Taurelin07
Thats kinda cool, they left this built in. Lets more knowledgable players have an edge...
This is why I've been playing 5th Edition Sylvan Library in Sun Tower for a few months now. People do stupid shit sometimes without thinking. I consider this equal to people naming my LEDs when I'm playing combo.
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Excellent, I love borderline illegal plays.I've had a number of people try to tap my LED before comboing. Never gets old.
I think they actually recently added it.
In a tournament, my answer would be "Yes, as Needle comes into play, you may name Lightning Rift."
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Another great thing is when you work it the other way around, too. Maverick676 always tells me about the game he won by playing Needle and naming Krosan Reclamation. Apparently his opp didn't think he could play the flashback and decked because of it.
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If I've got no other outs, I'll do this. I used to do it when playing Angel Stompy. I once dropped a Needle on LED, and my opponent scooped :)
They should introduce some sort of rule, which would oblige players to inform their opponents if the card text has been modified. What the heck, are we supposed to learn by hearth every errata ever printed ? Or perhaps am I supposed to ask my opponent, whenever he plays a card, 'is this card printed text up to date?'.
Knowing the rules, such as differences between triggered and activated abilities, is one thing. Asking players to know errata for every single card is something totally different.
The main difficulty seems to be determining if the card has been reworded.
How about a rule forcing ignorant opponents to concede before they accidentally topdeck the nuts to beat me? That'd be a much more fun rule. How hard is it to notice a major templating issue and inquire what the card's wording is? If I notice something like a 5th Sylvan Library I do ask if the printed card is up to date and usually before I get a response I call a judge. Then we chat about it as the judge comes over to confirm.
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Uh... not for a judge. They usually go to gatherer (or hop on their PDA) and get the current oracle wording. Players should always call for a judge when they aren't sure what a cards current oracle wording is. Players that don't make misplays when the information is readily available to them. That's just bad on their part.
I mean on the player's behalf. It can be hard to tell with their inconsistent errata policy.
Deliberately playing cards with misleading text to create advantage falls under Unsporting Conduct.
Deliberately misrepresenting what a card in play does is Cheating.
I would personally recommend just be being sporting and telling your opponent what the updated card text does. Is the advantage you may or may not gain worth exposing yourself to penalties?
You are free not to, but it's a narrow line to walk and if you cross it you're in trouble.
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