There is no misrepresentation. I always and forever announce the triggers going on the stack until my opponent badgers me to stop doing it. I vocalize all game actions and priority changes. One would hope that an opponent would at least question why I'm announcing Sylvan Library triggers if they see a colon and think Sylvan Library is an activated ability.
Isn't it my opponent's job to ask what the text is? Mine are Japanese 5th. They show a colon, but I've yet to play against a player who can read Japanese well enough to make out the card. All I'm relying on is ignorant opponents who don't bother to inquire the rules text. I see no reason why I should be penalized because my opponent makes an assumption.
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You're sure you're not misrepresenting? Great. Just be careful that you never do.
You can be penalized because it has been decided that playing with misleading cards with the intent of confusing your opponents is Unsporting Conduct, which I completely agree with. If a judge ever catches on, you will be subject to penalties.
So you "always and forever announce the triggers", the cards are in japanese, and yet "that is why you've been playing 5th Edition"? Something doesn't really add up here. Has anyone ever actually named it with Pithing Needle when a) they can't even read it b) you have not misrepresented it even the slightest bit?
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
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I have a slightly different question. I was playing Iggy Pop against a Goblins opponent who decided he was going to play Pithing Needle naming LED and then asked me whether it worked. What happens here? I wasn't sure whether I was obligated to tell him that it doesn't work. Is it my job to tell him? Shouldn't he ask a judge. My response was a non-answer, where I told him that I didn't need LED to go off so it didn't matter. I went off with rituals instead. Did I do something wrong here?
I don't think you did anything wrong there, but I would also like some clarifiation on the same question. If an opponent asks you a rules question (specifially something like 'does Needle on LED work?'), how much information are you obligated to give him/her? Or should you always default to 'ask a judge'? Of course, if you know that it doesn't work and you also know that a judge would rule that it doesn't work, isn't it just faster to tell them it doesn't work?
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Originally Posted by Slay
This reminds of GP:C where my Round 1 Goblin player brought in Needles against me Game 2 (I was playing 4c Landstill). He turn one Needles Brainstorm, I said ok. He then turn 2 Needles Rewind (why, I have no idea), and I said sure. I then Brainstormed later, he said something about Needle, and I informed him that Brainstorm was not a card with an activated ability.
Nothing like winning one of your hardest matchups on the back of stuff like that.
Originally Posted by Jack Burton
Tell him yes, it works. It's technically true. It will stop activated abilities of LED unless they're mana abilities. It should be up to him to know that Pithing Needle doesn't work on mana abilities (it says it on the card), and to know that LED's ability is a mana ability (it says it on the card too).
If he had asked you if Pithing Needle would stop LED from generating mana, that would be something else. Otherwise I would point to 'honest answers with careful omissions'.
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Originally Posted by Slay
On the subject, how can you determine if the person is playing a card to gain an unfair advantage?
I love the art on Sylvan Library and 5th Edition has the clearest art of them all. Also, the current wording is fairly different from all the versions of Sylvan Library.
I wonder if the intent of the question matters at all. It's pretty clear that he's asking, "Does naming Lion's Eye Diamond with Pithing Needle stop you from using LED's ability" to which the answer is clearly no, and you would be obligated to answer so (or not answer at all.) But that's not exactly what he asked (even if it's what he meant.)
I thought this had come up before, and sure enough it has. What's new since last year is the Player Communication Guide, which clarifies things some. Now it's quite clear that if your opponent asks "can I name", you can answer "yes".
The DVD Commentary has been posted before too - give it a read.
If he directly asks you "does it work?", you have three choices - "ask the judge", "no", or try to dance around it with a "you can name it" or whatnot. You have to be careful that you make only honest statements with #3.
Again, unless you think you can get away with an accurate but incomplete answer, tell him yourself or tell him to ask a judge. "Ask a judge" is always the safest answer, but if you're going to be accurate you can tell him yourself.
Telling him "it works" is certainly misrepresentation - it's not true, "it works" does not stand on its own. You can say something accurate like "it will prevent non-mana activated abilities from being played", but stick specifically to statements which are obviously true.
Intent doesn't matter as such, but you can't answer an inexact question with an inexact answer in the hopes of fooling your opponent. If you asked a judge "does this work?", the judge should ask you what you mean by that - judges don't answer "does this work?" questions, though they will try to lead you to ask the question they can answer.
Telling your opponent "it works" knowing how he will interpret that while trying to have the fallback of "but how he interpreted 'it works' isn't how I meant 'it works'!", well, just doesn't work.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
Clearly if your opponent is needing to needle your LED, you're in good shape. There is little in TES or POP that gets afected anyway. Sounds like people are playing cat and mouse in this example.
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That's not exactly true. Needle "works" with LED exactly as Needle works with every other card in the came. It shuts off that card's non-mana activated abilities. That's probably not what the kid is asking, but Needle does work here. You're fine saying, "Yes, Needle shuts off all of LED's non-mana activated abilities." Some players will still not understand, and name it with that information, so you're golden.
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