Originally Posted by Kaslan
And this pile just wins for 3 mana and a draw including protection:
Brainstorm
Mental note
Laboratory maniac
Pact of negation
Unearth
I'm a big fan of melting infernal Tutor, LED with the Doomsday-Maniac kill
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I'm pretty sure that everyone saying to cut Lotus Petal has never actually resolved Brainstorm in this deck. The ones wanting to cut Petal from lists with Meditate (which is still wrong, unless played in addition to your Ideas Unbound) probably haven't stopped to think about how they were going to win with just SDT in play and no spare cards in hand. (If you said have fewer storm or pay an additional mana, you win.)
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Been there, tried that, still casting Doomsday.
Drawing my deck for 0 mana since 2013.
My list, even though I have been playing other decks lately due to too much combo hate around, is very similar to the UBw one posted above, but:
17 lands (one Karakas). 16 seems low-ish...and even with 17 I sometimes had to waste my cantrips for finding lands. You can easily cut one Infernal Tutor, it's one of the worst cards in the deck unless you're going for IGG-loop. IT can easily get an axe - it's very rare to find zero action even without full sets of Probe and Ponder (see explanation below).
I am playing 2 Lotus Petals instead of one Probe and one Ponder - it helps to speed up the deck, opens some additional DD piles and, one of the most important things - lets get mana for protection without a risk of getting my lands wasted or fetching a basic Plains (which is rather uncomfortable most of the times).
I do intend to pick up DDFT again as nobody risked playing Storm during last few local events and MB Traps are already leaving sideboards
Edit: also I'm still playing Meditate - even if IU makes (sometimes) for better piles, having almost whole deck immune to Spell Snare (IT-IGG plan isn't reliable against decks packing Snare anyway) and being able to sometimes draw4 still makes me happy.
I ran something like this last time I tried DD. There is hardly any Spell Snares anymore, so IU seems fine. I used to run 2 Cabal Rituals (and 0 RoF) for IGG, but I think we're fine without them. Not sure if the MD Chain is needed though. I was happy with 16 lands and 3-4 petals, but a 17th land (1st Marsh Flats) is welcome if space is made (my list with Meditate ran 1 probe only to make space). IT is not that great as a setup spell in the deck, but adds speed to the deck against aggro and makes you lose less games due to not finding action.
4 Doomsday
3 Infernal Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Ponder
1 Ideas Unbound
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
1 Rain of Filth
4 Silence
2 Orim's Chant
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Swamp
That all said, white is not at its peak. Discard is better against Show & Tell, Reanimate, Counterbalance and it can be equal/better against non blue decks. It could be an option to cut white and splash green from the board (Xantid Swarm for Merfolk/SnT/Reanimate, Carpet of Flowers against RUG and perhaps a Grip or 2 against CB).
16 lands has been fine. I could definitely see cutting the COV for Karakas or cutting one IT for Karakas though. IGG has been awesome. There is a lot of burn and RUG in the meta and IGG allows you to win without casting doomsday which is often impossible against burn in particular. I almost never get Doomsday with IT because it basically requires 2 LEDS and a Top in play so I generally see two distinct game plans based on what my hand is and what my opponent is playing. In that case I usually get redundant chants or cantrips with IT. I would definitely endorse IGG + Chants. I haven't really missed Lotus Petal.
I agree that white is not obviously necessary right now - black disruption is arguably a little bit faster, and superior in some pretty important matchups. However, I love my IGGY loop, so I run Silence/Chant. Of course, the fact that I only play storm combo decks means that I like to mix up my disruption between decks, and perhaps gives me a slight bias (as in, I want to run white because none of my other decks are running white).
I'm intrigued by the idea of cutting IT for Karakas. While I love my IT, it does make sense - you never really want to see a second IT. That would give me a list that looks like:
4 Doomsday
3 Infernal Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
1 Meditate
4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Rain of Filth
4 Silence
3 Orim's Chant
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
2 Tundra
1 Karakas
1 Plains
2 Island
1 Swamp
Does that look reasonable?
I'm just lazy, and don't want to learn new piles.
This looks pretty good to me. I haven't personally used meditate before so that calls for some choices I don't know much about. I'm curious what you are running in your SB. Right now my board is...
SB
4 Iok
4 Dread of Night
3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Wipe Away
1 Emrakul
1 Shelldock Isle
Last edited by Troll Slayer; 08-22-2012 at 06:46 PM.
My sideboard is a little in the air right now, but it's going to include some Dread of Night (which I have found to be absolutely awesome in testing), a range of bounce spells (including Wipeaway and Echoing Truth), the Shelldock package, and probably some Leyline of the Void.
I think Wipeaway is important because with white disruption I'm pretty weak to permanent based hate, and Wipeaway is another way to deal with Thalia+Mom, as well as counterbalance. Echoing Truth deals with multiple Leylines (I had someone mull into three Leylines of Sanctity in one game).
That probably leaves me needing some artifact bounce, so I'd try to cram Hurkul's Recall in there.
Nothing groundbreaking in the above, just a general effort to "be prepared".
When I thought about my sideboard for Ubw just yesterday I decided to leave Emmi and Shelldock Isle out of it. Seriously, what bad matchups do we have to ge thim in right now?My sideboard is a little in the air right now, but it's going to include some Dread of Night (which I have found to be absolutely awesome in testing), a range of bounce spells (including Wipeaway and Echoing Truth), the Shelldock package, and probably some Leyline of the Void.
I think Wipeaway is important because with white disruption I'm pretty weak to permanent based hate, and Wipeaway is another way to deal with Thalia+Mom, as well as counterbalance. Echoing Truth deals with multiple Leylines (I had someone mull into three Leylines of Sanctity in one game
That probably leaves me needing some artifact bounce, so I'd try to cram Hurkul's Recall in there.
Nothing groundbreaking in the above, just a general effort to "be prepared".
Previously we sided them in against CB/Top, now they have 1 or 2 Karakas and 4 Terminus maindeck. Reanimator plays Tidesprout Tyrant and Blazing Archon. The only deck that can not easily handle this combo is NicFit and really, we donīt need to board against that one at all.
So after some tinkering I came to this board:
4 Dread of Night
3 Grand Abolisher
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
1 Echoing Truth
1 Wipe Away
1 Cruel Bargain
2 Slaughter Pact
Obviously, as any sideboard this is a metacall. Chalices are rising again and therefore I wanted some solutions against them. If you donīt have MUD or Goblins in your area, you might use something else.
Grand Abolishers are worth testing and are awesome against those miracle decks out there. Cruel Bargain against REB of course and the rest of my board is just random bounce.
I also thought about squeezing 3 Carpet of Flowers, 1 Tropical in there to get a better edge against Canadian. However, that was way more easy with the old German List where you could simply change 2 CRit, 1RoF for 3 Carpets... not sure about that right now.
Hello,
I'm currently a T.e.s. and Ant player and decided to also learn doomsday. I was wondering if anyone has access to a list of piles. Also if anyone had a good strategy for learning said piles. Also what exactly does the emrakul package do for you? is it just to beat storm hate cards like mbt tegg and thalia?
You coulda texted me about the piles :p
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...TkY/edit?hl=es
Just keep playing them and playing them. Constant testing is the only way to learn, since often you have to beat something weird on the fly
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also storm boards is a great resource, i haven't been in a few months but there is a lot of information there.
expect to fuck up, a lot. don't memorize piles, get the basic few and maybe a stackj or two that deals with general stuff. but the important parts are the concepts behind them and how they work,and then start trying to build ones on your own or at least understand how to.
you never build piles in a vacuum. so memorizing how to do it without pressure is pretty useless.
@rekk
Doomsday is so fun!
I don't recommend Emrakul against decks with Thalia or Teeg; those decks almost always run wasteland.
Emrakul is for decks that don't put you on a tight clock. The idea is that the emrakul doomsday combo requires less combo pieces in hand, so when you combo off it's mostly just doomsday then use top or probe for a free card draw. Other storm decks can potentially be stopped mid combo (e.g. Opponent lets mana spells resolve then counters a burning wish).
I have also tried other goofy things with doomsday, such as using cloud of faeries with shelldock.
Honestly I think you'll pick up doomsday quite easily since you've used tes and ant, and I've seen you with sensei's top decks.
I played this list to top32 at baltimore. I was in t8 contention until round 8
3 Doomsday
4 Burning Wish
1 Ideas Unbound
1 Snapcaster Mage
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Dark Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Karakas
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
SB: 4 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Tropical Island
SB: 2 Karakas
SB: 2 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Doomsday
SB: 1 Time Spiral
SB: 1 Infernal Contract
SB: 1 Cabal Therapy
Ended up 6-3. I feel like I was a draw spell at some point over a huge amount of turns from making t8. List felt fine. Would play again.
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Been there, tried that, still casting Doomsday.
Drawing my deck for 0 mana since 2013.
That was you? I was watching you play against David Price. It was really nice seeing someone good play the deck.
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Did you ever board in Infernal Contract over IU against decks with red blasts?
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Yes. IC + Tendrils come in for any matchup where I expect Surgical/Extirpate/Spell Snare/REB.
Yeah, I played against Dave Price. I believe I had a kill with this game state with 3 life:
In play: Island, Volcanic Island, Swamp, Sensei's Divining Top
In hand: Dark Ritual, Doomsday, Chain of Vapor
BZK! - Storm Boards
Been there, tried that, still casting Doomsday.
Drawing my deck for 0 mana since 2013.
I remember it being 2x island and an Underground, but your memory is probably better. I posted that hand to facebook, actually, not 30 minutes before you replied. It was a line of play I hadn't had much experience with.
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I definitely remember 2x blue, 1x black source. I know I had at least 2 basics, but I could have Volc/Sea switched up.
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Been there, tried that, still casting Doomsday.
Drawing my deck for 0 mana since 2013.
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