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    Quote Originally Posted by SpatulaOfTheAges View Post
    Shrug.

    Why would you MD Sacred Ground in Goyf.format? Who plays LD?
    Stax, I suppose, where it stops both Wasteland and Smokestack.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kabal View Post
    It appears that the final deck that made Top 8 was Mono-white Stax. To recap:

    2 Belcher
    1 4C Threshold
    2 Landstill
    1 3cBlack
    1 PT Junk
    1 Mono-white Stax

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    Thats not the legacy t8 only the decks that the t8 players played in the legacy portion. Heck most of them did mediocre in the Legacy portion.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    The decks that did 4-1 or better in the Legacy rounds have been posted. You can find them here.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    so, the 1th-4th place consist only out of breakfast!?

    what a stupid t8
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    (sigh) I'm going to have to break down and build Cephalid Breakfast one of these days, much to my dismay.

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    Damn it, Taco, that exactly sums up my opinion on the matter. I need to buy you a beer for that post.

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    The decks that did 4-1 or better in the Legacy rounds have been posted. You can find them here.
    There are way too many Tarmagoyf's on that page. Fuck that card.
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    For everyone's convenience here's the real top 8 (as only 8 players managed to assemble 15 points in 5 rounds of Legacy):

    1-8. Cephalid Breakfast
    1-8. Welder Survival
    1-8. Cephalid Breakfast
    1-8. Aggro Loam
    1-8. UGB Threshold
    1-8. UGW Gro
    1-8. UGB Gro
    1-8. Sui Black w/ Tarmogoyf


    The decklists:

    Shuu Komuro [JPN]
    Main Deck:
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Polluted Delta
    3 Tropical Island
    4 Tundra
    2 Underground Sea

    4 Cephalid Illusionist
    3 Narcomoeba
    4 Nomad en-kor
    1 Shaman en-kor
    1 Sutured Ghoul
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Aether Vial
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Cabal Therapy
    1 Dragon Breath
    1 Dread Return
    2 Eladamri's Call
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    4 Worldly Tutor

    Sideboard:
    4 Abeyance
    1 Crippling Fatigue
    3 Dark Confidant
    2 Echoing Truth
    1 Stern Proctor
    4 Thoughtseize


    Stuart D Wright [USA]:
    Main Deck:
    2 Bayou
    2 Forest
    2 Polluted Delta
    1 Savannah
    4 Taiga
    1 Tree of Tales
    2 Tropical Island
    4 Windswept Heath
    4 Wooded Foothills

    1 Anger
    4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Goblin Welder
    1 Harmonic Sliver
    3 Mesmeric Fiend
    1 Platinum Angel
    2 Shield Sphere
    1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
    2 Sundering Titan
    1 Triskelion

    3 Brainstorm
    3 Cabal Therapy
    2 Chrome Mox
    4 Intuition
    2 Mox Diamond
    4 Survival of the Fittest

    Sideboard:
    1 Cabal Therapy
    1 Genesis
    1 Goblin Sharpshooter
    1 Ingot Chewer
    4 Pyroclasm
    1 Shriekmaw
    2 Thoughtseize
    3 Tormod's Crypt
    1 Wispmare


    Andres Camargo [CHL]
    Main Deck:
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Polluted Delta
    3 Tropical Island
    4 Tundra
    2 Underground Sea

    4 Cephalid Illusionist
    3 Narcomoeba
    4 Nomad en-kor
    1 Shaman en-kor
    1 Stern Proctor
    1 Sutured Ghoul
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Aether Vial
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Cabal Therapy
    1 Dragon Breath
    1 Dread Return
    2 Eladamri's Call
    4 Force of Will
    3 Ponder
    4 Worldly Tutor

    Sideboard:
    3 Abeyance
    1 Crippling Fatigue
    2 Dark Confidant
    2 Harmonic Sliver
    1 Ray of Revelation
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Tormod's Crypt


    Marijn Lybaert [BEL]
    Main Deck:
    1 Badlands
    1 Barbarian Ring
    3 Bayou
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    1 Forest
    3 Forgotten Cave
    3 Taiga
    3 Tranquil Thicket
    1 Volrath's Stronghold
    4 Wasteland
    4 Wooded Foothills

    4 Dark Confidant
    2 Eternal Witness
    4 Tarmogoyf
    4 Terravore
    3 Wild Mongrel

    4 Burning Wish
    3 Life from the Loam
    4 Mox Diamond
    2 Pernicious Deed
    4 Thoughtseize

    Sideboard:
    1 Deathmark
    1 Devastating Dreams
    3 Engineered Explosives
    2 Krosan Grip
    1 Life from the Loam
    2 Pithing Needle
    1 Reverent Silence
    1 Shattering Spree
    3 Tormod's Crypt


    Daniel O'Mahoney-Schwartz [USA]
    Main Deck:
    4 Flooded Strand
    1 Island
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Tropical Island
    2 Tundra
    3 Underground Sea

    4 Dark Confidant
    4 Nimble Mongoose
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Brainstorm
    3 Counterbalance
    4 Daze
    1 Engineered Explosives
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    3 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Stifle
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Thoughtseize

    Sideboard:
    1 Engineered Explosives
    4 Engineered Plague
    3 Extirpate
    2 Krosan Grip
    2 Stifle
    3 Threads of Disloyalty


    Grgur Petric Maretic [HRV]
    Main Deck:
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Polluted Delta
    4 Tropical Island
    4 Tundra
    4 Wasteland

    3 Nimble Mongoose
    4 Quirion Dryad
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    4 Predict
    4 Spell Snare
    4 Stifle
    3 Swords to Plowshares

    Sideboard:
    4 Counterbalance
    1 Ground Seal
    3 Kataki, War's Wage
    1 Krosan Grip
    2 Meddling Mage
    3 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Swords to Plowshares


    Shouta Yasooka [JPN]
    Main Deck:
    1 Bayou
    2 Flooded Strand
    1 Island
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Tropical Island
    3 Underground Sea
    3 Wasteland

    4 Dark Confidant
    3 Nimble Mongoose
    2 Quirion Dryad
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    2 Opt
    4 Ponder
    4 Spell Snare
    3 Stifle
    4 Thoughtseize

    Sideboard:
    2 Divert
    4 Engineered Plague
    3 Ghastly Demise
    3 Threads of Disloyalty
    3 Tormod's Crypt


    Jia Wu [CHN]
    Main Deck:
    4 Bayou
    4 Bloodstained Mire
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Swamp
    4 Wasteland

    4 Carnophage
    4 Dark Confidant
    4 Nantuko Shade
    4 Tarmogoyf

    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Duress
    4 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Sarcomancy
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Umezawa's Jitte

    Sideboard:
    4 Engineered Explosives
    4 Leyline of the Void
    4 Pithing Needle
    3 Serum Powder


    Notice all the Tarmogoyfs. Maybe the Welder Survival could squeeze some in as well to make everything perfect! :-)

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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TeenieBopper View Post
    There are way too many Tarmagoyf's on that page. Fuck that card.
    QFT, I scrolled down for a while and the only decks that didnt run Goyf were like 2 dredge decks, a TES deck, and a bad survival deck...redonk I h8 teh goyf :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinious View Post
    QFT, I scrolled down for a while and the only decks that didnt run Goyf were like 2 dredge decks, a TES deck, and a bad survival deck...redonk I h8 teh goyf :(
    Rumor has it that both of those decks are going to be running 'goyf also! Other decks that are 'teching' the creature are: Stax, MUC, Goblins, Belcher, and Solidarity. [/cynicism]

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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    Hey, remember Osamu Fujita's "only 1 Factory as win condition" Stax deck?

    Turns out he was sideboarding 3 Angels and 2 Magi to actually win postboard games in time. Sneaky bastard.

    And two players were actually piloting BHWC Landstill with... Goyfs, Wastelands, and Crucibles. Ugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by largebrandon View Post
    Rumor has it that both of those decks are going to be running 'goyf also! Other decks that are 'teching' the creature are: Stax, MUC, Goblins, Belcher, and Solidarity. [/cynicism]
    If I actually owned Tarmagoyfs, I'd run them in Goblins. Seriously. No reason not to.
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    But it's not worth banning, because it's just a beater.[/sarcasm]
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    If they never banned Goblin Lackey, they'll never ban Tarmagoyf. They both see/saw a disproportionate amount of play, and are both stupid mana cheats, but in different ways.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    Lackey's a lot easier to solve, and on completely opposite ends of the scale re: deck versatility. Goyf fits in almost any deck; Lackey fits in one deck.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    I agree, ban Tarmogoyf...

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    Goyf fits their standards for banning a card PERFECTLY!

    It is seen in every single deck, or an answer is seen in every single deck. Hell it is in more decks that Skullclamp was and that got the ax. They are just afraid because it would be the first "beater" to ever be put on the banned list. All other cards were combo enablers, tutors, or CA machines (wait all three of those are combo enablers :-P)


    But i'm really pissed. WotC just gave the pros our decks. They say a XXXXX creation, when in reality not a single deck was not ripped from the source. Zvi is the only man i admire at all of worlds, and thats because he stole 2 ideas and mashed him, and that makes him the most innovative!?!? How pathetic, the pro basically suck.

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    Is there some kind of petition we could all sign and send to WotC to nix goyf? For God's sake, I have a playset but I hate using them. They've gotten so boring. If the card ever gets banned (and I now think it needs to be), I would want it to be during its run in Standard, so I can trade away the card for its full value.

    Seriously, if Landstill is running a non-utility creature that dies to its own removal, there's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solpugid View Post
    Is there some kind of petition we could all sign and send to WotC to nix goyf? For God's sake, I have a playset but I hate using them. They've gotten so boring. If the card ever gets banned (and I now think it needs to be), I would want it to be during its run in Standard, so I can trade away the card for its full value.

    Seriously, if Landstill is running a non-utility creature that dies to its own removal, there's a problem.
    New Thread in Community Board, please post there about Goyf and potential banning.

    Lets stay on the topic of worlds here.

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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TeenieBopper View Post
    If I actually owned Tarmagoyfs, I'd run them in Goblins. Seriously. No reason not to.
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    Re: Worlds Metagame Predictions

    I want to start by saying that I'm not accusing anyone with this post, and I'm not trying to provoke anything, I'm just trying to provide a general caution about something that I've noticed some Sourcers (including myself, I will admit) doing after Worlds.

    Many Source members assume that we, as "The Source," had a very large, direct impact on the Worlds Legacy metagame. The conversations I had with folks playing in the Legacy portion of Worlds this weekend made it clear that that is not true (at least not in any widespread way.) At best, the effect that The Source had was indirect (see below.) I address this first because those Sourcers I've talked to seem to view this issue as one of some sort of entitlement, and I think that is dangerous. Yes, The Source is a great place to go, maybe the best place to go for Legacy discussion. There's a lot of innovation, testing, and tuning that takes place here. But to think that we're the only people who do any work, or that everything that happens in the Legacy world is directly due to this site and the innovation that takes place here is arrogant and incorrect. I'm not excusing the coverage that Wizards provided, and I do think the Source had a large indirect role on the meta, but I also think we need to be very careful to avoid the problematic idea that somehow the Source "owns" this format. Again, I'm not saying that every Source member thinks this, but I've noticed it as a common enough feeling that I thought it should be talked about.

    Everyone I talked to who was playing in Worlds (which was only about 25 people) pulled their lists directly from a T8 list, card-for-card, and sometimes made a few, "I'm a pro so I know better" changes to the list. And they all said something to the effect of, "I can't not play 4 Tarmogoyf MD." (I'm just noting this as a phenomenon, not commenting on its value.) Most of the lists people got came from European T8s. Admittedly, there is a thread (or multiple threads) on the Source for every deck I saw at Worlds, and a large portion of those decks come directly from Sourcers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Pros were coming to this site looking for decklists. The ones I talked to were doing exactly what people usually do when they don't know a format and don't have the time or desire to learn it: looking at T8 lists from large events past.

    All of that said, I don't think that this event shows us much of anything about the Legacy format (except that Wizards knows nothing about it,) and I don't think it will have much of an impact on the metagame among avid Legacy players. I think it was nice that Wizards made Legacy a format at Worlds, but I was very disappointed in the work that the players did, and I was even more disappointed in the coverage provided. For those of you who didn't read it, I think I would find it difficult to summarize it without exhibiting the sense of entitlement that I so recently warned about, so I will simply say that I don't think the reporters did their homework.

    EDIT: Also, Vintage year in review? Can we get a Legacy year in review?!?

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