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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    I still see him post from time to time so he's still around.

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    Spending more and more time with this deck, with approx. 20 games online versus Dredge, UR Delver, Canadian Threshold, Affinity, Lands and Storm and a few rogue decks. Better than 50% against all of them, except Threshold but that was down to a major brainfreeze on my part. Of course, it's a very small sample size and no Omni, BUG, DnT, Miracles or Elves yet but happy with the Storm, Lands and Dredge matchups.


    //22 Lands
    4 Bayou
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Forest
    2 Swamp
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4 Wasteland

    //22 Spells
    4 Abrupt Decay
    4 Dark Ritual
    2 Funeral Charm
    3 Liliana of the Veil
    3 Reanimate
    2 Sylvan Library
    2 Thoughtseize
    2 Toxic Deluge

    //16 Creatures
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
    4 Oona's Prowler
    2 Phyrexian Obliterator
    4 Tarmogoyf

    //Sideboard
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Null Rod
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Thoughtseize
    1 Golgari Charm
    2 Duress
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    2 Leyline of the Void
    1 Choke


    Thinking about going to 21 lands due to the relatively low mana curve as well as the DRS and Dark Ritual ramps. Keep y'all posted

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Hate_Counterspells View Post
    Spending more and more time with this deck, with approx. 20 games online versus Dredge, UR Delver, Canadian Threshold, Affinity, Lands and Storm and a few rogue decks. Better than 50% against all of them, except Threshold but that was down to a major brainfreeze on my part. Of course, it's a very small sample size and no Omni, BUG, DnT, Miracles or Elves yet but happy with the Storm, Lands and Dredge matchups.


    //22 Lands
    4 Bayou
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Forest
    2 Swamp
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4 Wasteland

    //22 Spells
    4 Abrupt Decay
    4 Dark Ritual
    2 Funeral Charm
    3 Liliana of the Veil
    3 Reanimate
    2 Sylvan Library
    2 Thoughtseize
    2 Toxic Deluge

    //16 Creatures
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
    4 Oona's Prowler
    2 Phyrexian Obliterator
    4 Tarmogoyf

    //Sideboard
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Null Rod
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Thoughtseize
    1 Golgari Charm
    2 Duress
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    2 Leyline of the Void
    1 Choke


    Thinking about going to 21 lands due to the relatively low mana curve as well as the DRS and Dark Ritual ramps. Keep y'all posted
    you should look into tasigur, gurmag, and/or hooting

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    You could also play Loam. pretty good with Wasteland, Liliana and to get you up to your 4 drops. You can wastelock internet rug delver also.

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    @nedleeds: there's only two 4 drops (the Obliterators) and my thinking is that the deck has a fast tempo strategy, hoping to get them into play quickly via Dark Ritual or Reanimate (via Funeral Charm or the Prowlers). Against fair decks, we're probably doomed if the game goes long enough to hard cast either of them! Against combo, well, we pray the primary disruption strategy in games 2 and 3 keeps us alive until we can start the mid-game beats.

    @Kobe: delve cards with CMC of 6, 7 or 8 are a bit heavy for Reanimate. But I guess I could try to squeeze in a Tombstalker for the evasion.

    Thanks for the feedback :-)

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Looks like we got a new toy in despoiler of souls

    3/1 and gets to return to battlefield from GY.

    Helps with the mana sinks too, allows us to play 4 dark confidants without having to flip a tombstalker or tasigur.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Hate_Counterspells View Post
    Spending more and more time with this deck, with approx. 20 games online versus Dredge, UR Delver, Canadian Threshold, Affinity, Lands and Storm and a few rogue decks. Better than 50% against all of them, except Threshold but that was down to a major brainfreeze on my part. Of course, it's a very small sample size and no Omni, BUG, DnT, Miracles or Elves yet but happy with the Storm, Lands and Dredge matchups.


    //22 Lands
    4 Bayou
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Forest
    2 Swamp
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4 Wasteland

    //22 Spells
    4 Abrupt Decay
    4 Dark Ritual
    2 Funeral Charm
    3 Liliana of the Veil
    3 Reanimate
    2 Sylvan Library
    2 Thoughtseize
    2 Toxic Deluge

    //16 Creatures
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
    4 Oona's Prowler
    2 Phyrexian Obliterator
    4 Tarmogoyf

    //Sideboard
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Null Rod
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Thoughtseize
    1 Golgari Charm
    2 Duress
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    2 Leyline of the Void
    1 Choke


    Thinking about going to 21 lands due to the relatively low mana curve as well as the DRS and Dark Ritual ramps. Keep y'all posted
    Just a thought, but the only thing Reanimate does that Unearth doesn't is get back obliterator (and opponent's creatures of course.) It may be an unacceptable loss of flexibility but it also cycles if you need to dig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Just a thought, but the only thing Reanimate does that Unearth doesn't is get back obliterator (and opponent's creatures of course.) It may be an unacceptable loss of flexibility but it also cycles if you need to dig.
    Your comment in parentheses is the key.... opponent's creatures are equally important. Earlier today, using the revised deck posted in the Rock thread, I took a Bloodghast from a Dredge gy (contributed 6 points of damage and Ichorid had no targets), a G1 Iona from a Reanimator gy and a KotR from Maverick.

    Rules question: I Reanimate an Iona, Shield of Emeria from my opponent's graveyard. I choose "Red" as the color. Who can't play red spells? Me or my opponent?

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Hate_Counterspells View Post
    Your comment in parentheses is the key.... opponent's creatures are equally important. Earlier today, using the revised deck posted in the Rock thread, I took a Bloodghast from a Dredge gy (contributed 6 points of damage and Ichorid had no targets), a G1 Iona from a Reanimator gy and a KotR from Maverick.

    Rules question: I Reanimate an Iona, Shield of Emeria from my opponent's graveyard. I choose "Red" as the color. Who can't play red spells? Me or my opponent?
    If you reanimate, the creature is your creature, therefore the opponent cannot use red

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Does this list I am toying with in this thread?

    Creatures (16)
    4 Tarmogoyf.
    4 Dark Confidant.
    4 Deathrite Shaman.
    4 Vampire Hexmage.

    Spells (16)
    1 Dismember.
    1 Life from the Loam.
    2 Inquisition of Kozilek/ or (creature-)removal
    4 Thoughtseize.
    4 Crop Rotation.
    4 Abrupt Decay.

    Other (6)
    2 Sylvan Library.
    4 Oath of Nissa.

    Lands (22)
    1 Swamp.
    1 Windswept Heath.
    2 Forest.
    3 Bayou.
    3 Verdant Catacombs.
    4 Thespian's Stage.
    4 Dark Depths.
    4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
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    I am also pursuing an aggressive bg list. It is similar to old style evagreen but with hexmage depths added. Lots of redundancy with a value plan to supplement the combo. I'm also toying with a heavy emphasis on basic lands...to blunt opposing wastelands and operate under blood moon.

    4x deathrite
    4x confidant
    4x goyf
    4x vampire hexmage

    4x crop rotation
    4x thoughtseize
    1x duress
    4x hymn
    3x abrupt decay
    1x maelstrom pulse
    2x expedition map
    2x sylvan library

    4x verdant catacombs
    1x misty rainforest
    1x marsh flats
    1x bayou
    4x urborg
    4x wasteland
    3x swamp
    2x forest
    1x dark depths
    1x thespians stage
    1x volrath's stronghold

    Sideboard is in flux, but it has 3x pithing needle for sure, a pair of grips, and some diversified grave hate like bojuka bog and surgical extraction. From there I need to decide on how to finish it up. I think some number of liliana and deed is correct, but it might also be correct to use engineered plague x3-4. It has implications for many decks (d&t, elves, merfolk, goblins, lingering souls, true name nemesis, young pyromancer, etc.) I welcome any thoughts and I hope this is the right thread. It seems more aggro oriented and fair than turbo depths because of the split emphasis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I am also pursuing an aggressive bg list. It is similar to old style evagreen but with hexmage depths added. Lots of redundancy with a value plan to supplement the combo. I'm also toying with a heavy emphasis on basic lands...to blunt opposing wastelands and operate under blood moon.

    4x deathrite
    4x confidant
    4x goyf
    4x vampire hexmage

    4x crop rotation
    4x thoughtseize
    1x duress
    4x hymn
    3x abrupt decay
    1x maelstrom pulse
    2x expedition map
    2x sylvan library

    4x verdant catacombs
    1x misty rainforest
    1x marsh flats
    1x bayou
    4x urborg
    4x wasteland
    3x swamp
    2x forest
    1x dark depths
    1x thespians stage
    1x volrath's stronghold

    Sideboard is in flux, but it has 3x pithing needle for sure, a pair of grips, and some diversified grave hate like bojuka bog and surgical extraction. From there I need to decide on how to finish it up. I think some number of liliana and deed is correct, but it might also be correct to use engineered plague x3-4. It has implications for many decks (d&t, elves, merfolk, goblins, lingering souls, true name nemesis, young pyromancer, etc.) I welcome any thoughts and I hope this is the right thread. It seems more aggro oriented and fair than turbo depths because of the split emphasis.
    Very cool list.

    I would suggest playing Living Wish instead of Expedition Map. It costs less mana letting you combo a turn sooner, you can use it to get the depths combo piece or it can grab a utility creature as well.

    Living Wish is much more flexible than either Expedition Map or Crop Rotation, so it's never a dead card and you can get away with running a full playset.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Kant View Post
    Very cool list.

    I would suggest playing Living Wish instead of Expedition Map. It costs less mana letting you combo a turn sooner, you can use it to get the depths combo piece or it can grab a utility creature as well.

    Living Wish is much more flexible than either Expedition Map or Crop Rotation, so it's never a dead card and you can get away with running a full playset.
    I like Living Wish, and I think that with the emphasis on basic lands I could pull it off. Map works under blood moon, but so do basic forests. I'm not sure if I like the deckbuilding restraints from a wish package however. I would want all 4 hexmages main in order to have a higher rate of a natural turn two combo (hexmage, urborg, plus depths/crop rotation.) Sideboarding becomes trickier with a wish package...everything you want costs an extra 2 mana, in exchange for g1 flexibility.

    I'll keep it in mind, but for now the plan is to divide attention and conquer. It will be hard to deal with both the threat of the combo while also trying to fend off drs/bob/goyf/hymn.
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    Isn't Into the North just straight up better than Expedition Map (esp. if you include a snow-covered basic or 2)?

    I also think Grim Discovery deserves consideration. It can get both pieces of the combo back or another nice creature and land.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Someone did well with a Gate-ish Eva Green-ish deck at the most recent legacy classic:

    4 Deathrite Shaman
    4 Dark Confidant
    4 Bloodghast
    4 Vampire Nighthawk

    4 Abrupt Decay
    4 Geth's Verdict
    4 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Liliana of the Veil
    1 Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 Sword of Light and Shadow

    2 Polluted Delta
    8 Swamp
    2 Bayou
    4 Bloodstained Mire
    4 Wasteland
    2 Woodland Cemetery

    Sideboard
    3 Engineered Plague
    4 Pithing Needle
    2 Ratchet Bomb
    3 Relic of Progenitus
    3 Trinisphere

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Yeah I saw that. I'm curious about how its matchups went.

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    Mr. Safety; still championing BG midrange decks. What a hero.
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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    I'm kind of curious why this deck doesn't see much play. After watching someone play it at my LGS time after time it seems like it has decent matchups all around (barring combo ofc). Seems like if you just upgrade some of the cards to add drs, lilianna and decays to the list on the first page you have yourself a solid suicide black list. I think i'm going to try this list next week if I can get my hands on Phyrexian Obliterators, they're pretty expensive for a janky card.

    4 tarmogoyf
    4 dark confidant
    4 deathrite shaman
    2 tombstalker
    2 phyrexian obliterator

    4 dark ritual
    4 thoughtseize
    4 hymn to tourach
    4 sinkhole
    4 abrupt decay
    3 lilianna of the veil

    4 wasteland
    8 fetch lands
    3 bayou
    6 swamp

    Sideboard:
    TBD

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    I'm kind of curious why this deck doesn't see much play. After watching someone play it at my LGS time after time it seems like it has decent matchups all around (barring combo ofc). Seems like if you just upgrade some of the cards to add drs, lilianna and decays to the list on the first page you have yourself a solid suicide black list. I think i'm going to try this list next week if I can get my hands on Phyrexian Obliterators, they're pretty expensive for a janky card.

    4 tarmogoyf
    4 dark confidant
    4 deathrite shaman
    2 tombstalker
    2 phyrexian obliterator

    4 dark ritual
    4 thoughtseize
    4 hymn to tourach
    4 sinkhole
    4 abrupt decay
    3 lilianna of the veil

    4 wasteland
    8 fetch lands
    3 bayou
    6 swamp

    Sideboard:
    TBD
    discard sucks against miracles.

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