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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zulander View Post
    No.

    Also, I think this deck needs more confidants. He's amazing card advantage. Also, have you tried smother/Ghastly Demise in place of snuff out?
    I can tell with no testing confidant does not belong. I would take Tombstalker over him ANY day in this type of deck. A resolved Confidant puts ZERO pressure on your opponent and just draws you into more disruption or more 2/x's. A resolved Tombstalker says answer me now or lose.

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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Afro View Post
    I can tell with no testing confidant does not belong. I would take Tombstalker over him ANY day in this type of deck. A resolved Confidant puts ZERO pressure on your opponent and just draws you into more disruption or more 2/x's. A resolved Tombstalker says answer me now or lose.

    This deck is fucking sexy.
    Just play both. Replace snuff out with smother/ghastly demise or even chainers/diabolic edict(for pesky mongeese) and the damage will be fine I think. Anyone else agree with me??? I think we should test it out.
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zulander View Post
    Just play both. Replace snuff out with smother/ghastly demise or even chainers/diabolic edict(for pesky mongeese) and the damage will be fine I think. Anyone else agree with me??? I think we should test it out.
    As someone who used to play Spoils Belcher a lot, even I don't have the balls to play Confidant so I can double Fireblast myself when I flip a Tombstalker. Also what would you cut?

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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Afro View Post
    As someone who used to play Spoils Belcher a lot, even I don't have the balls to play Confidant so I can double Fireblast myself when I flip a Tombstalker. Also what would you cut?
    -1 goyf, -1 shade, -1 stalker, -1 hyppie. With the card advantage he brings it's like you're playing 4of's of every card in your deck anyways.
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zulander View Post
    -1 goyf, -1 shade, -1 stalker, -1 hyppie. With the card advantage he brings it's like you're playing 4of's of every card in your deck anyways.
    Goddammit I hate you. Listen Afro, don't bother arguing, he's joking. However, Zuhair often forgets that nobody likes him or bothers to try to read his tone. Mostly he tries to forget that no one likes him. :)


    EDIT: Now he's going to say that he's not joking. Don't believe that either. He's just being stupid.

    EDIT2: Dan/Anwar, what matchups exactly do the Jittes shine in? Random Aggro? Don't you beat them? I think that those are questionable slots. Also, I would like to say that I think Jailer is slightly better than Leyline in this deck. Two reasons: Jailer plays better with Ritual, and Jailer attacks. Just my opinion, but I would like clarification on the Jitte.
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Deep6er View Post
    Goddammit I hate you. Listen Afro, don't bother arguing, he's joking. However, Zuhair often forgets that nobody likes him or bothers to try to read his tone. Mostly he tries to forget that no one likes him. :)
    I was just playing devil's advocate. Some people don't realize that some cards don't belong in a deck until they see how ridiculous some posts seem.

    Jitte comes in against aggro decks, not random watchwolf.dec. So it comes in against chalice decks and others like goblins/survival.
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zulander View Post
    No.

    Also, I think this deck needs more confidants. He's amazing card advantage. Also, have you tried smother/Ghastly Demise in place of snuff out?
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Deep6er View Post
    EDIT2: Dan/Anwar, what matchups exactly do the Jittes shine in? Random Aggro? Don't you beat them? I think that those are questionable slots. Also, I would like to say that I think Jailer is slightly better than Leyline in this deck. Two reasons: Jailer plays better with Ritual, and Jailer attacks. Just my opinion, but I would like clarification on the Jitte.
    Jitte mainly shines against a deck like survival, and is generally an awesome card. It may be an issue that it is "just a good card that should be there with creatures" without the overwhelming goblins presence. If I were to change this slot I think it should be something that is either a bomb against survival or against threshold. Dystopia immediately comes to mind.

    Edit: However, the versatility of jitte is not to be scoffed at. It comes in against dredge as well and can solve many issues on it's own against a plethora of random stuff that always shows up at legacy tournaments. But my previous statement applies, survival seems to be a bigger beating than it should be.
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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zulander View Post
    No.

    Also, I think this deck needs more confidants. He's amazing card advantage. Also, have you tried smother/Ghastly Demise in place of snuff out?
    I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    This deck is indeed sexy.

    Seal > Grip, overall.

    Grip gets through counters. So what? You're not afraid of counters in this deck. If they're in a position where you're afraid of them countering your enchantment/artifact removal, you've all ready lost. And that's the only advantage the card has over Seal. So pft.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SpatulaOfTheAges View Post
    This deck is indeed sexy.

    Seal > Grip, overall.

    Grip gets through counters. So what? You're not afraid of counters in this deck. If they're in a position where you're afraid of them countering your enchantment/artifact removal, you've all ready lost. And that's the only advantage the card has over Seal. So pft.

    P.S. I'm insulted you forgot the Enchantress match-up.
    Many apologies, I will have to modify that at some point.
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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by nitewolf9 View Post
    Jitte mainly shines against a deck like survival, and is generally an awesome card. It may be an issue that it is "just a good card that should be there with creatures" without the overwhelming goblins presence. If I were to change this slot I think it should be something that is either a bomb against survival or against threshold. Dystopia immediately comes to mind.

    Edit: However, the versatility of jitte is not to be scoffed at. It comes in against dredge as well and can solve many issues on it's own against a plethora of random stuff that always shows up at legacy tournaments. But my previous statement applies, survival seems to be a bigger beating than it should be.
    I understand your point, but would something... I don't know... "bombier" be better? Just for EXAMPLE (again, this is an EXAMPLE), something like Nether Void is an absolute BEATING against some decks and would complete crush their strategy. Just to reiterate, that was an example. Not a suggestion. I understand how "bomby" Jitte is, but I just feel that there's something better out there. What matchups is Jitte supposed to influence? Perhaps with a bit more data, we can come to a better conclusion.

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    Re: Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Deep6er View Post
    What matchups is Jitte supposed to influence? Perhaps with a bit more data, we can come to a better conclusion.

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    Jitte comes in against aggro decks, not random watchwolf.dec. So it comes in against chalice decks and others like goblins/survival.
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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    The thing is, I think Dave is probably right here. Now that I know what matchups may need a bit more help (survival, and even some builds of threshold could be better), the slot may have a better option. Chalice aggro dies to snuff out pretty badly, talk about tempo loss on their part. We might have been tunnel visioned and ignored the facts that a.) goblins doesn't really show up en masse anymore (and the deck already smashes them) and b.) random aggro is not that bad, especially decks like zoo with HORRENDOUS manabases.
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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Seal of Primordium is sparking such a huge debate perhaps I can add some insight since I was the person who suggested the card to nitewolf9 in the first place. First off, I didn't want to run anymore possibly dead removal such as Vendetta, Smother, Edict, Demise, etc. The question becomes what do you do with the 3 remaining slots in the deck. I wanted that slot to be a versatile answer that something the deck couldn't already handle.

    Enchantments and Artifacts have in general been the bane of Suicide decks (especially mono-black). I never considered Krosan Grip. The first reason is that it costs 3 mana which is a lot for a tempo hungry deck. The second is that it is by its nature it is a reactive card something that often can cause you to keep mana open for and makes you pass the turn when you really want to drop Hyppie or Stalker. It really goes against what you really want to do which is play disruption and guys. Seal by comparison costs 2 mana and is proactive. You don't need a target for Seal and you can drop it at any moment you have 2 mana to spare. Lastly, is that in a pinch you can pump Tarmogoyf or even put another card in the yard for Stalker. I'll concede this isn't very good, but its not bad considering the card can be dead in certain matchups.

    As for Jitte, its a useful card in combating aggro strategies in general. Suicide decks in the past at least have struggled in matchups where your opponent could generate a quick board presence (Zoo, White Weenie, Sligh, Stompy, etc). It was very useful in Red Death in combating those strategies and is useful against other types of decks as well such as Ichorid and Survival.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    I just started testing this deck yesterday and I must say I totally love it over it's red death counterpart. I totally agree on jitte but for those who can't let it sit in the side run a couple random maindeck. As far as Dark Confidant I am on the fences in T2 we ran him with hit/run and thats is very similar to the tombstalker debate. Sometimes self inflicted damage is worth the win, no?

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by AnwarA101 View Post

    As for Jitte, its a useful card in combating aggro strategies in general. Suicide decks in the past at least have struggled in matchups where your opponent could generate a quick board presence (Zoo, White Weenie, Sligh, Stompy, etc). It was very useful in Red Death in combating those strategies and is useful against other types of decks as well such as Ichorid and Survival.
    Yeah, but Tarmogoyf invalidated those strategies. Since you run Tarmogoyf, the only creature you have to fear from them is Tarmogoyf. See the problem? I think Jitte is unnecessary, simply because Tarmogoyf is so much better than the decks that Jitte is suppose to be good against. Honestly, I would just play Reanimate or something like that. Tarmogoyf is the MOST IMPORTANT CARD in that matchup. Thus, bringing back yours, or stealing theirs, will seal the deal in the same way that Jitte would, while also allowing you to have flexibility against Control decks or even Reanimator decks (Lol, discard Akroma, steal Akroma). I'm just saying, I think that unless you can show me a deck that can consistently beat Eva Green that is both popular and helped immensely by the presence of Jitte, I think it's irrelevant.

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    I'm testing both seal and grip and in some matchups the grip is better especially when countertop is active. The seal is better for the race you can pin it down when you can't pin down any other beaters or something else. Seal does its work also to trinisphere's and chalice if they are not at two before you can play the seal, grip has to be used on the opponents turn which you will need to keep mana open for like earlier mentionned and effects your tempo if you could play something more aggresive like a hippie or shade or something. But i'll keep continuing to test both.

    Snuff Out hurts much against aggro and then you take it out for Jitte it is not useful against decks that run tombstalker (pox, mirror) or confidant because of the nonblack clause. I would try Diabolic edict and snuff out together as a split but only to try.

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    how does this deck fair against chalice aggro? (dragon/fairie stompies)...

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    Re: [Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Deep6er View Post
    Tarmogoyf is the MOST IMPORTANT CARD in that matchup.
    I don't he is, imho Tombstalker is. However playing something like unearth might not be a bad idea, it essentially allows you to run 19 creatures and cycle in a pinch if it's dead. However, in our metagame this might not be a problem, going up to NY Jitte > reanimate spells due to the amount of survival played. Having a Magus of the Moon resolve shuts you off from Tarmogoyf, thus Jitte allows you to effectively run 7 MD removal spells. And against that matchup, or even aggro loam, being able to strap up a Jitte on a hyppie/stalker will usually seal the game whereas reanimate/unearth will just add another soldier to the ground war. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make.
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