3/7(9)/0 - I think
Not entirely sure what chaff refers to, but I believe it is zero because all of the cards you need are specifically for the combo.
Bazaar Trader/Immortal Coil/Bojuka Bog or Relic of Progenitus.
Not quite as much mana as it seems because it can be paid in pieces.
Give them Coil and then nuke their graveyard.
There's a self-destruct clause on the devourer's ability.
Phyrexian Devourer
Otherwise, you could just go with Devourer x3 and swing for the win.
Congregation at Dawn combos on itself via Borrower/Kiki-Jiki/Mogg Fanatic. The problem is untapping with Borrower alive.
If you have Borrower on the table, you can Congregate Kiki/Mogg during upkeep, go infinite Borrowers, draw and then sacrifice a bunch of them to ping the opponent dead. With a Top, you could pull this one off at instant speed for one extra colorless mana.
In fact, I believe this would be fairly strong in EDH.
FeFe Team: Legacy in the Southern Hemisphere.
celestial convergence/ vampire hexmage 2/6/1
similar to hex/depths, except that it uses an enchantment instead of a land, but wins off a trigger instead of attacks. sac hexmage to remove the counters on celestial convergence causing the player with highest life to win. the chaff being something like martyr of sands or other cheap life gain to make it work. not sure how easy/hard it would be to get more life than an opponent (ez vs combo hard vs aggro?) but it could be fun.
Grave dependency: n
Needleability: y
Stiflabitiliy: y
Forceability: Y
Wastelandability: n
Swordsability: n
Disenchantability: y
Chaliceability: not really
This looks correct, but for the record, chaff are cards that you need for the combo, but drawing them doesn't help your combo go off. For example, natural order progenitus requires 2 cards to go off (natural order and a green creature) and it has a chaff of 1 (progenitus).
Gotta take Angel's Grace / Ad Nauseam off the list.
Angel's Grace prevents damage; AdN is life loss. Not the same thing.
But Angel's Grace prevents you from losing the game, it doesn't matter that you are at negative life. You still draw your whole library because life loss is not life payment.
There's a soft lock with eldrazi monument, donate, and forbidden orchard.
Go inifinite life with New Leyline of Vitality, Saffi eriksdotter, and Loyal Retainers. Harder to break up than the old Soul warden route also.
If you use crypt champion instead of retainers you have projectX (standard deck from a while back)
Just as a reminder: I'm not including 3-card combos. 2.5-card combos (2 specific ones, 1 of a large subset) would require a hard sell... I'm explicitly not including 'Infernal Tutor + double Lion's Eye Diamond' for an Ill-Gotten-Gains/Tendrils loop', even though replacing one of the LED with other fast mana just increases the initial mana requirements to a still-reasonable amount.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Boggart Birth Rite + another in the graveyard gets you a storm count equal to the black mana you're willing to commit to it. Doesn't seem to be a useful plug into any current decks, but it seemed worth mentioning.
He said "+ another". Pretty sure Martyr meant 2 copies of Boggart Birth Rite.
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It's better with 2x Sensei's Divining Top. You can pay with colorless and draw your top card.
Yeah, I did. You'd have to be willing to Intuition for them + something, or rip through your deck a TON for it to be reasonable, or use Goblin Matron, and even then it gets eaten by graveyard hate. But, storm for a single B mana is about as cheap as it gets.
Yeah, good point. I was going to point out the tutors that can get Birth Rite, but Top has Trinket Mage and Enlightened tuor. Way to ruin my day :(It's better with 2x Sensei's Divining Top. You can pay with colorless and draw your top card.
Buried Alive (-> Necrotic Ooze, Phyrexian Devourer, Triskelion) + Reanimate. Though it does require other 1-2 cc cards in the deck.
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