The best way to Rector into Omni + Emrakul is indeed Diabolic Intent. But those shells often also run Cabal Therapy, Phyrexian Tower and sometimes also Innocent Blood.Originally Posted by YamiJoey
Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
4c Aggro Loam
As described elsewhere in this thread, Rector + Diabolic Intent or Altar of Bone = win in several ways. My favorite is to get Omni with Rector and tutor up a Sparkcaster with the tutor. That leads you to infinite ping without needing an attack and it runs off of a creature who is actually castable in a Naya deck.
Magic Origins is getting spoiled now, so let's continue to identify combos with this new set. Overall, the set seems to have more than usual terrible cards at common and uncommon. Terrible might be the wrong word: simple is more like it. Simple, clean, boring designs at various rarities but particularly at low rarity. That means few combos. I hope to see this changing as the spoiler continues!
[card]Separatist Voidmage[/card] + [card]Animar, Soul of Elements[/cards]
Because what we really need is more Man'o'War. Sheesh. Now we have a 3 mana version (aforesaid jellyfish) a 4 mana version, and a 5 mana version. Why?
Anyway, like the rest, this pumps Animar for U once it gets going by bouncing itself.
[card]Sphinx' Tutelage[/cards] + Brainstorm, Sylvan Library
Bonus: + Jeskai Ascendency
Here we go! A triggered ability that goes off from what we want to do anyway and is a potential win condition. Good stuff.
So close to a combo with Painter's Servant, but I suppose WotC decided that would be rude for Modern. Oh well. As it is the milling ability is going to hit 2 - 4 cards in an average deck, you figure. If you have a Library going, that's 6 - 12 cards per turn; Brainstorm hits for 6 - 12 all by itself. These figures are approaching dangerous territory.
Note more generally that Tutelage allows you to translate tons of card draw into a win condition. That's not insignificant, and very few cards do this. Let's say you're going off with Ascendency, for example. With this in play, if you can trigger Ascendency 15 times, you've probably won the game. That's tricky, and you could easily object by saying "if I drew 15 cards I better already be winning," but it's worth keeping this card in mind.
Is it enough to just run this and cantrips to get there? Probably not in a world with Eldrazi, but who knows!
There is more potential here to be mined.
[card]Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh[/cards] + Lava Dart, Curlean Wisps, etc.
Chandra is a Cinder Pyromancer so she does what Cinder Pyromancer do. However! Once you go off with her, she gives you nice bonus at the end. So while you lose the machine gun down the road, on the first turn you do it Chandra gets you another 2 damage right away.
[card]Blazing Hellhound[/card] + [card]Gravecralwer[/cards] and friends.
Cheap, repeatable ways to turn creatures into damage are also ripe for combo abuse. This isn't as good as Goblin Bombardment, but it's on a body so perhaps it's better than the dumber new version of that that costs R. Not terrible, certainly has its place in EDH decks that want lots of copies of this kind of effect.
Maybe Compost + Painter's Servant/Glamerdyne and then Sphinx's Tutelage as a finisher?
I don't follow you.
Anyway, new spoiled cards show that the rares and mythics in this set are way higher in power level than the commons, and some are quite amazing. We even got some interesting commons. More combos!
Faerie Miscreant + Clone effects, particularly Kikki-Jikki and Splintertwin type effects
Cranking out copies of Miscreant means you're drawing cards for each copy. Once you have two, you can start blinking them as well, and that's nice.
Days Undoing + Leyline of Anticipation or Notion Thief
Negate that downside!
Dark Petition + Yawgmoth's Will, Tendrils of Agony, Necropotence
There are many very powerful cards that storm decks in Legacy and Vintage go get with tutors. While Petition costs 5, its enhanced effect is trivial to reach in those formats, so it can typically cast or mostly cast what you get. In Vintage, Demonic+Yawgwill costs 5 already. In Legacy, this lets you tutor up Tendrils without needing to be hellbent and cast it for 1 more colorless mana invested. (Infernal+Tendrils already costs 6). As the coup de grace of storm decks, this can be very powerful.
Tainted Remedy + Kavu Predator and all the cards that worked with False Cure.
Now we can run eight copies of False Cure in Legacy? We can run it in Modern? Holy hell Grove of the Burnwillows is about to reach a new level of stupid!
Starfield of Nyx + Opalescence.dec
Now we can run eight copies of Opalescence? Is it finally time for Serra's Sanctum to do something?
Bounding Krasis + Splintertwin.dec
Oh boy, another in-color option for people who thought that Pestermite and Exarch were too fragile. So much for -1/-1 effects stopping Twin entirely.
Blessed Spirits + Auratog, Thaumatog + Rancor and similar enchantments from Urza's Saga block.
Spirits grows each time you re-cast the enchantment, so with a sac outlet the cheap returning enchantments give you a +1/+1 engine. Beat your opponent to death with dead children! ... wow, that sounds pretty bad.
[card]Kothophed, Soul Horder[/cards] + Goblin Welder
Draw a card each time you Weld. Not terrible!
Demonic Pact + Stuff
Okay, this card has lots of ways to combo with it. You can avoid the "you lose" condition with:
1. Stifle
2. Enchantment removal
3. Bounce
4. Blink
Or win the game using a Donate effect.
I think the coolest idea here is to combine Demonic Pact with Venser, the Sojourner in a Modern UWB deck. That's some serious, serious gas.
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Keep in mind that Tainted Remedy won't trigger the counters on Kavu Predator, since the lifegain is replaced. Beauty of False Cure is that there is still lifegain happening. Still - it would work well in the deck regardless, with all the "burn" spells available.
If you have Compost, Painter's Servant (for black), and Sphinx's Tutelage, then you should be able to draw your deck, while your opponent's gets dumped into his or her graveyard. The problem is that it's a 3-card setup. But even Compost+Painter's Servant is pretty nice.
For at most one card per clone, this is really weak.Faerie Miscreant + Clone effects, particularly Kikki-Jikki and Splintertwin type effects
I like Final Fortune -> Day's Undoing a lot better. Still not a game ending combo though.
Enchantress is better.
Kothoped triggers on permanents owned by another player, so that usually won't work.
Some other possibilities:
Probably too weak to do anything:
Disciple of the Ring +Millikin + ?
or
Disciple of the Ring +Paradise Mantle + Disciple of Deceit/Pain Seer
Ghirapur Aether Grid as a finisher in a Elsewhere Flask/Tsabo's Web... cantrip artifact deck.
And I'm intrigued by:
Alhammarret's Arhive + free cantrips / 1 cc multidraw spells
Thopter Engineer + Shape Anew = Hasted Blightsteel Colossus. 7 mana, over two turns. . . deck constraint is not to run any other artifacts.
Do you know what is not crazy? Shape Anew. We just got a TON of new effects that churn out artifacts but are not themselves artifacts. At some point, we may have critical mass to play some kind of crazy BSC combo deck in Modern. Hmmmm
You can play it now honestly - the real issue is whether such a deck is better than twin.
In modern you can do
1st - Land + Manadork
2nd - Land + Thopter Engineer/Blade splicer/Ghirapur Gearcrafter/Goblin Kaboomist/Tuktuk the Explorer
3rd - Land --> Shape Anew (win if Engineer in play or wait to attack turn 4)
someone mentionned the following thing in a thread: Riptide chimera + second chance.
If you stack the triggers in the right order, second chance might be in your hand when you have to sacrifice it, but you still take the extra turn...
Does that work? It's not really a compact combo, because you need to be at 5 life so it works.
6/15/2010: On resolution of the trigger you have to sacrifice this card if you have 5 life or less. If you can't (because it is not on the battlefield, for example), then you still take an extra turn after this one.
Tusk up.
Oh dear, we've gone for awhile without updating this thread, haven't we? If I have time tonight, I'll go through the combos and combo pieces from Battle for Zendikar and Commander 2015 and post em.
Mizzix's + Entomb (for Enter the Infinite) - - > draw deck - - > SSG/Mox/Petal - - > Faithless Looting, discard Conflagrate - - > SSG/Mox/Petal x2 - - > Flashback Conflagrate, Win.
Total cost 3RB
There's also Mogg Alarm + Synthetic Destiny -> Tooth & Nail piles.
Knight of the Reliquary + Retreat to Coralhelm go through your Landbase (Forests, Plains).
Win with a big Knight or via a lot of landfall triggers with another landfall card. Whats the best wincondition?
Drakes claim to be dragons-until the dragons show up.
The dust can count only to 50.
Angels attacked them,............ with swords.
Kessig Wolf Run to give the knight evasion was in the deck that went deep at SCG. There are threads about this combo elsewhere. Look for "brave sir robin"
I've always loved Wolf Run for this reason; it's practically a no-cost way to translate infinite mana into a win condition. It's like having Howl From Beyond on tap at all times. Radical.
Anyway, I've been hard up for time so I haven't updated the list comprehensively. I'm glad you guys are adding the big combos. Another one is this:
Gigantoplasm + Karmic Guide OR Revilark
This gives you infinite ETB / LTB triggers. With Guide or Revilark in play, have Gigantoplasm enter the battlefield as a copy of either. The ETB trigger will go on the stack. Before letting it resolve, activate Gigantoplasm's ability to make it 0/0 and kill it. You can then target the Plasm with it's own trigger and recycle it. Rinse and repeat.
You shouldn't Faithless Looting here because you'd kill yourself. But you may cast Conflagrate for 0 instead, then use its flashback.
Time to do some catch-up on the combos in our new sets!
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Eye of Ugin
This essentially gives you 2BB to cast Eldrazi creatures on turn 2. And, it's why Bx Eldrazi is suddenly hot stuff in Modern.
Deceiver of Form + Biovisionary + Four dorks
I know this combo isn't huge, but there are very few other cards that do this. Deceiver is interesting because it's another way mass-clone your creatures. We've had this before in Mirrorweave, Infinite Reflection, and Polymorphous Rush, but Deceiver is different because it does not require your clone target to be on the battlefield at all. If Deceiver itself was cheap, this might be a cool way to cheat fatties or monsters into play. As it is, Deceiver costs 7, so you're already practically casting Grislebrand anyway. I suspect you care about this combo if you're looking for more EDH pieces for some kind of mass clone deck; otherwise Mirrorweave does the job better.
Eldrazi Mimic +
Flash or Phyrexian Dreadnought or Evoke cards
Renegade Doppelganger is back (kinda), and he's easier to cast than ever. Trouble is, Renegade gets to be a total copy of the incoming creature, so you get to abuse stuff like Grislebrand. Mimic just gets the guys power and toughness, so the best you can do is make him fatter if you flash some kind of fat into play. Even flashing in Emrakul and makining Mimic 15/15 wont end the game, though.
Matter Reshaper + Champion of Stray Souls or Hell's Caretaker or Recurring Nightmare
Matter Reshaper plays nicely with cards that let you flip him and out of the graveyard, since he keeps fueling more permanents to sacrifice as he goes. This is probably EDH-only, since none of the yard-flopping cards are cheap enough for competitive play.
Matter Reshaper +Feldon of the Third Path
If Reshaper is already in the yard, Feldon becomes a card-draw engine. This has the advantage of being able to flip a Feldon into play off of the Reshaper to begin with, too. Seems really fun for Cube.
Eldrazi Displacer + Brood Monitor or Emrakul's Hatcher or Rasputin Dreamweaver or Workhorse
Displacer goes infinite with the Eldrazi Mamas that give birth to three tokens when they arrive; but you need something else to do with the ETB and LTB triggers you get. Priest of Gix / Urabrask don't work here, since they don't generate colorless. Rasputin and Workhorse go infinite with it, but this is probably an EDH-only combo since the other piece costs 6 mana on its own. Also, note that Rasputin is the rare, interesting Legends Legend that is still sub-fifty dollars. I doubt that continues in light of a new combo for him in EDH....
Stone Haven Outfitter + Grafted Wargear
Not as busted as Skullclamp, possibly, but this does let you sac dudes to draw cards for free. Thats pretty awesome. Note that Outfitter is a total fail with the aforementioned Skullclamp, because the +1/+1 effect will stop x/1s from dying to clamp.
Thought Harvester + Infinite ETB triggers
Thought Harvester is a great mill finisher for any combo that produces infinite ETB triggers for colorless spells. This works if you're looping Purse off of Jeskai Ascendancy combo, cycling Sensei's Top off of reducing effects like Helm of Awakening or Cloud Key, using your Displacer + Eldrazi mamas... whatever. Unlike many other milling finishers, Harvester EXILES the cards instead of putting the in the yard, so it trumps Gaea's Blessing and Emrakul very nicely.
Sky Scourer + Infinite ETB triggers
A worse version of Harvester, but it does get infinity big if you have triggers.
Hedron Alignment + Doomsday
Its pretty easy to make a winning pile with Doomsday. Doomsday exiles one of the Hedrons and stacks the other three in your library. Add some card draw and you can quickly arrange them where you need em. I don't see that this Combo is better than Labman... but there you go.
[cards]Essence Depleter[cards] + infinite mana combos
Depleter wins the game if you have infinite colorless mana. We have many win conditions like this, but it's always nice to have a new replacement for Rocket Launcher that isn't terrible on its own. In fact, it's probably one of the better win conditions, since it's loss of life and not damage.
Flayer Drone + Infinite ETB triggers
If you're making infinity Eldrazi tokens, this wins the game. It does so through loss of life rather than damage, so maybe it's better than the thorny Eldrazi from the last set. Then again, it can't hit creatures, so... eh.
[cards]Havoc Sower[cards] or Kozilek's Shrieker+ infinite mana combos
Sower and Shrieker are worse than Depleter at just winning the game, but they do get infinity large with infinity mana, so, they're another possible win condition for infinite mana combos.
Goblin Dark-Dwellers + Show and Tell
If you're casting Show and Tell, there are definitely better things you could be doing than getting a 4/4 out of the deal. But, if you want a Goblin really badly, you'll get to cast the Show and Tell a second time for free. And, who knows? Maybe this is tech to stop Oblivion Ring from wrecking your poop.
Kazuul's Toll Collector + Blade of Selves, Hero's Blade, Ogre's Cleaver
Collector lets you cheat on equip costs, and anything that cheats a cost is worth a look. On it's own, it abuses equipment that are cheap to cast but expensive to equip. If you combine him with Stoneforge Mystic or something else that lets you cheat stuff out, you can really get abusive.
Oath of Chandra or other Oaths + Riptide Chimera
The Oaths give you spell-type effects on a permanent that can be bounced and re-used.
Aya, Eternal Pilgrim + Life.dec
Aya gives you another Starlit Sanctum-type effect to use with your Kor combo. And, she shares several types with the cards you would run in that deck anyway and gives you a powerful removal effect after you combo, which is cool.
[cards]Weapons Trainer[/card] + Silver-Inlaid Dagger
Putting the Dagger on Weapons Trainer results in a 7/2; that's not too shabby. He slots into an equipment-themed RW deck really well. Pity it doesn't have double-strike like many of the others...
Crumbling Vestige + Amulet of Vigor
With Amulet, you get 2 mana off of this land the turn it drops. It doesn't' give you the bounce effect of the Karoo lands, but it also doesn't suck on its own like they do, so there's that.
Crumbling Vestige + Root Maze
Vestige gets around the limitation of Root Maze, if you're looking to do... something with that.
Wandering Fumerole + Ceaseless Searblades
Since the ability costs nothing to activate, you can make an infinity large Searblade. Also has worked with Lavaclaw Reaches for some time now.
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