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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Does Force of Negation have a place in this deck?
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    All variants are looking for creature removal either on countermagic or cards that also make Dreadnoughts happen; I don't see this card making the cut. Sideboard against Life from the Loam...maybe. This is also a time of substantial Snapcaster overuse (thanks to Hymn and CB boosting), so you're going to want Snare or Blast (you counter the spell that this new card would have, except they don't get a bonus 2/1). The issue with running Force of Negation SB is that it is worse than Misdirection-types.

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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    I still think the real promise in UW Dreadnought is waiting for WotC to print a more realistically-costed Mastery of the Unseen effect turns top of deck [think E. Tutor] into an exploitable zone of value.


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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Bleh, just lost a detailed reply to a misclick; so this one will be less in-depth.

    So we've got three cards to talk about so far: Trinket 2.0, omni-Fetch, and to a lesser extent the red 'Planeswalker Piper.'

    On Trinket 2.0:
    -Absurdly long stack lockout possible when stacking it with new Teferi and Vision Charm. Too much going on here to combine Standstill's manland optimization (new Teferi is designed for this specifically) with the tutor-heavy focus I prefer in UW (aka Manifest Destiny)
    -In terms of what Trinket 2.0 means to any build: massive boost vs Storm (covers how awful Plow is)
    -Only targets worth finding in U, W, or colorless = Ballista (not really maindeckable in our style) and Hex Parasite (this card has tutor and shenanigans written all over it; case and point Convalescent Care). If that doesn't have you excited enough, Hex and Delver are insects - I'm gonna let you guys figure this one out.
    -In terms of building like UR Dreadstill, but in the worse UW shell, Trinket 2.0 really only means that you go down to 2x Dreadnought and add 2x of this guy in. The nice thing in this build is more space to fit in new Teferi for lock-out manland attacks and blocks.
    -This card is worth $3 at best, but modern is cancer for pricing. Even for modern I don't think the pre-sale pricing is doing anything but tanking.

    On omni-Fetch:
    -monoU Delver thread can be closed now, even without Duals, you're able to play all basics (and Wasteland) in 2c.
    -in UW Dreadnought builds of any type, I think you're going to have a hard time justifying any copies of Tundra (maybe 1x is playable).
    -4x costs less than a Tundra, get your playset.

    On PW-Piper:
    -this card is dumb, and nowhere near competitive - which is to say that modern has everything it needs to jack up prices. So in the spirit of modern let's take this horrible idea and make it worse. Step 1 we need to ofc cancel the EoT exile trigger, add Sundial. Step 2 deck done.
    -buy your Sundials now if you lack your playset, they have all they need to jack up prices on a piece of tech that belongs to the Dreadnought family (Dreadnought-MUD-Tezz).
    -if you're looking to have fun with this for a weekly, you're ofc on UR and your PW of choice should probably be reasonably castable (and also cheap). Now Ugin, the Ineffable is probably too serious (and also like $6!), so I think we all know what this means: Chandra, Flamecaller - and don't worry guys, we're going to void all 3 exile triggers at the same time with Sundial c-c-c-combo. The most important thing is that Chandra, Shamecaller is like $2.50...well like it starts at $2.50.....but it'll probably cost extra to make it a Cersei alter for all those Game of Thrones fans.

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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Call me crazy but I don't actually like the new white Trinket Mage. I don't want to sacrifice him...I'm playing Swords to Plowshares so I want him to attack to make up for lifegain. His double-white cost is a little prohibitive as well, as I mentioned in another comment (somewhere...) We're also turning a 2 card/2-mana combo and turning it into a 2 card/5-mana combo. Do we need that kind of redundancy?

    I mean, I would love to have a Trinket Mage-style toolbox deck be viable, but I don't really see it being competitive. I think new Narset is about the best card for this archetype that has come along.
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    Eh, Narset doesnít really do much. Sheís a 3cmc Impulse that eats a Bolt. Are you comboíing her with Geier Reach-type cards?

    The issue I have with Narset/new Teferi is that you topdeck them and they canít take over a game, and you probably cut cards that likely had text against TNN. Cards like Search for Azcanta are cheaper and more able to take over a game on their own without board control requirements (particularly in an archetype that has to be much more selective about removal doubling as engine).

    The cards that exploit Narsetís ability are going to be rather high variance alone, but at least new Teferi does everything a Standstill plan wants (go to UWx Landstill thread if you want to read up on this). The important thing about Trinket 2.0 is that he combos in enough directions that youíre already going, and advances a common plan (that other cards were already selected to combo with). There really isnít any tempo de-railing to get this effect:
    -new Teferi in play, cast Dreadnought & phase it out
    -opponent canít do anything about it on their turn
    -untap, hit them while they canít do anything about it.

    Now add Trinket 2.0:
    -new Teferi in play, cast Trinket 2.0, find Dreadnought
    -next turn do the Dreadnought phasing thing
    -free attack step
    -their upkeep sac 3/3
    -free attack step #2 (a similar thing can be done with Sundial as opposed to new Teferi, but less absolute)

    At no point in this sequence did we ever deviate from doing our thing, this is just a free bonus for doing what we already were. This is how all new cards should be evaluated from Dreadnoughtís side of things - is it still part of the linear plan [columnar] while interacting favorably in a primarily lateral direction. To compete Dreadnought decks generally have to be A + A + so many Aís instead of A + B.

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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I do really enjoy the fact that you can respond to the miracle trigger from Terminus and sac your dude to prevent a wipe. Nice.
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I mean it's more than that in the context of new Teferi; when you can't cast outside sorc speed and you're trying to kill a creature going through your turn phased out, and they have Trinket 2.0 on your next upkeep, you are hard locked out of the game (minus creatures and lands). This isn't just Terminus, it's every non-creature spell for two attack steps - and this isn't even the reason the cards were chosen, this is just bonus.

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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I like new Teferi. City of Solitude lock <-- Huge for Combo (UW omni-tell?) Pick up their Chalice, Pick up our own Standstill play a card, put the Standstill back down! Sign me up! Just ordered 4x omni-fetches the card seems great. June is a busy month so I won't get a lot of paper games in, but I will run UW dreadnought with the new Teferi believe that.
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