[Deck] UBGx Landstill

[MDHackbert]

Changed above list: +2 Innocent Blood, -1 Spell Pierce -1 Fatal Push

Went 1-3 in my 4-round Thursday event. Beat Unexpected Miracles. Lost to Goblins, Unexpected Miracles, and Merfolk.

I'm still not feeling the Probes-Therapies in the main. Not sure what i want instead. Could be some Ponders + something else. I may want more sweepers.

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[redtwister]

Anyone else using Thoughtseize? I am not horribly thrilled with it.

[Doishy]

Hi all,

Currently looking at a UBx Standstill to be my next deck to build. I've noticed some good variety of choices available for different slots however almost every list has at least two JtMS's. Is there honestly no equivalent card or alternate playstyle that would be able to avoid having these in or are they just way too good to avoid? I feel that despite his power he is stilla relatively clunky four drop hence my reservations in following onto his use .

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Hi all,

Currently looking at a UBx Standstill to be my next deck to build. I've noticed some good variety of choices available for different slots however almost every list has at least two JtMS's. Is there honestly no equivalent card or alternate playstyle that would be able to avoid having these in or are they just way too good to avoid? I feel that despite his power he is stilla relatively clunky four drop hence my reservations in following onto his use .

No. I mean,you can not play him, but there's no real replacement of any kind.

[qomori]

Took a BUG version of Landstill to my Legacy weekly and 4-0'd with the following list (def some sub-optimal cards, but I just sleeved up things that I already owned):

Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Vendilion Clique


Spells
4 Brainstorm
2 Fatal Push
2 Spell Pierce
1 Stifle
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Counterspell
1 Yahenni's Expertise
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
1 Pernicious Deed
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Lands
1 Bayou
1 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Island
1 Lumbering Falls
3 Mishra's Factory
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland

Sideboard

1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Darkblast
1 Duress
1 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Pithing Needle
1 Null Rod
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Dread of Night

Played Storm twice (TES and ANT once each), D&T, and a sorta goofy (but super spicy) Birthing Pod deck.

Obviously wasn't expecting the Pod deck in round 1, but Deed and Yahenni's (which is way too cute and should be Deluge, I know) wrecked boards full of mana dorks.

In both of the Storm match-ups, I got turn 2'd in one of the games of the match, but ended up having too much permission for them to fight through in the other games.

Against D&T, I found Dread of Night/Darkblast game 2 and double Dread of Night/Null Rod in game 3, which basically locked my opponent out of the game.

The UB build definitely looks more streamlined/better in most metas, but it was really fun to power out the 3 drops and Jace a turn early off the back of Deathrite.

[qomori]

Played a similar list to above (- Yahenni's and the sideboard Decay + Deluge and a Chill in the board) and 3-1'd. Beat Maverick (though my opponent was pretty flooded both games--still seems like a good match up though), Grixis Delver, and crushed Czech Pile before losing to BRx Reanimator.

In the last match against Reanimator, he got me game 1/turn 1 with Chancellor to turn off my FoW into Griselbrand and Chancellor and got me game 3 with double Chancellor to turn off my Surgical into Griselbrand and Iona on black. Definitely a winnable match if they can't find the nuts though.

[polski]

Do you think that 4 color control is better that bug landstill in this meta?

[chrisloffer]

Played this to a 4-0 finish yesterday.

2-0 vs NicFit with Oath of Nissa and big planeswalkers.
Being able to Counterspell a T2 flashed back Cabal Therapy of the basic lands from Veteran Explorer was pretty nice and then being able to flashback CS with Snapcaster Mage early was important. Leovold stared down Dack Fayden at the end of game two.

2-1 vs UR Delver.
I won a pretty tight game one and then we each lost a game on a mull to 5.

2-0 vs NicFit.
Jace won both games. Fatesealing aggressively, bouncing at the moment unkillable creatures and then countering them on the way back down.

2-0 vs Aggro Loam.
Jace won game one. He then bounced a 6/7 Tarmogoyf three times in game two while I got in there with Tombstalker.

I boarded out Standstill in all postboard games due to being on the draw and/or facing (semi-)aggressive creature decks.

2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
3 Underground Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
3 Mishra's Factory
2 Creeping Tarpit

4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest

4 Brainstorm
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Fatal Push
1 Diabolic Edict
2 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Standstill
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor


1 Flusterstorm
2 Pithing Needle
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Null Rod
2 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
2 Diabolic Edict
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Tombstalker
1 Dismember

[polski]

Played this to a 4-0 finish yesterday.

2-0 vs NicFit with Oath of Nissa and big planeswalkers.
Being able to Counterspell a T2 flashed back Cabal Therapy of the basic lands from Veteran Explorer was pretty nice and then being able to flashback CS with Snapcaster Mage early was important. Leovold stared down Dack Fayden at the end of game two.

2-1 vs UR Delver.
I won a pretty tight game one and then we each lost a game on a mull to 5.

2-0 vs NicFit.
Jace won both games. Fatesealing aggressively, bouncing at the moment unkillable creatures and then countering them on the way back down.

2-0 vs Aggro Loam.
Jace won game one. He then bounced a 6/7 Tarmogoyf three times in game two while I got in there with Tombstalker.

I boarded out Standstill in all postboard games due to being on the draw and/or facing (semi-)aggressive creature decks.

2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
3 Underground Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
3 Mishra's Factory
2 Creeping Tarpit

4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest

4 Brainstorm
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Fatal Push
1 Diabolic Edict
2 Counterspell
4 Force of Will
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Standstill
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor


1 Flusterstorm
2 Pithing Needle
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Null Rod
2 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
2 Diabolic Edict
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Tombstalker
1 Dismember

would you make any changes to the deck?

[chrisloffer]

would you make any changes to the deck?

Right now, no. I'll try the same list tomorrow again and will probably 0-4. That's how I usually roll :)
Just playing for fun though.

[polski]

Right now, no. I'll try the same list tomorrow again and will probably 0-4. That's how I usually roll :)
Just playing for fun though.

how was the tournament? Any changes?

[chrisloffer]

how was the tournament? Any changes?

I played the same 75. Unfortunately I got a bye in the first round.

2-1 against Grixis Delver.
G1 I lost to Gurmag plus True-Name after I swept the tripple Delver opening away.
G2 my opponent didn't draw any lands.
G3 was a real game. I think Tombstalker closed it out for me.

2-1 against Storm.
Lost G1 to a quick 10+ drills.
Won G2 and G3 thanks to Leovold and Standstill. And a well timed and lucky Surgical on a Dark Ritual after my opponent kept important cards on top of the library with Brainstormin one of the games.

0-2 against 4C Control/Leovold.
Had no chance. Their card advantage is so much smoother and the access to Red Blasts is so important.


If I want to play BUG Standstill, I don't think I'd change anything in my meta. I haven't played against Lands, Turbo Depths or 12 Post yet though. Those match-ups might need Wastelands, and then you might want to play more creature lands that make colored mana instead of Factories, like Treetop and the new U/G land. Don't know. Maybe the Needles and Edicts are enough.

If I wanted to improve the list, it would probably just (d)evolve into a 4C Control deck. But that's not as cool as Standstill

[sdematt]

Played this to a 3-1 finish at the local Legacy.

2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Liliana, the last hope
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

4 Force of Will
1 Counterspell
1 Mana Leak
4 Brainstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Standstill
1 Life from the loam

2 Toxic Deluge
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Fatal Push
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Darkblast

3 Snapcaster Mage
38

4 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
2 Wasteland
3 Mishra's Factory
23
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1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Flusterstorm
3 Chill
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Duress
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm

Round 1 against 4C Leovold Pile - 1-0 - 50-minute game 1 where I crush his soul into dust.

Round 2 was against 4C Control Lands - 0-2 - Almost get him in Game 2, but I draw poorly and he draws exactly what he needs when he needs it. Lands feels like an atrocious matchup.

Round 3 was against BW Deadguy - 2-0 - He had a very bad Game 1, and I crushed him in Game 2.

Round 4 was against 4C Leovold again - 2-0 crush.

MVPs: Darkblast, Liliana Last Hope, Chill
Poop: Liliana of the Veil

I'd honestly take out Liliana of the Veil and put in other walkers or jam Leovold ourselves. I like the idea of going +1 Last Hope and +1 Garruk Relentless. Last Hope was incredible.

For the sideboard, I'd cut Blue Blast, and go with:

1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Ground Seal
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Flusterstorm
3 Chill
1 Golgari Charm
2 Grafdigger's Cage/Surgical Extraction
2 Duress

[ThediscoPower]

1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Ground Seal
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Flusterstorm
3 Chill
1 Golgari Charm
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Duress

Just to be sure it's not a mistake, so with 4 decays in the board?

[JackS2]

Hi!

I see that most U / B lists are very similar. I played the same in the last OvinoXII (187 players) making a 6-0 +2 splits and losing the final vs 4C

Creatures [5]

2 Tombstalker
3 Snapcaster Mage

Instants [16]
2 Counterspell
2 Diabolic Edict
4 Brainstorm
4 Fatal Push
4 Force of Will

Sorceries [8]
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Innocent Blood
2 Ponder
3 Thoughtseize

Enchantments [4]
4 Standstill

Planeswalkers [3]
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Lands [24]

1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Flooded Strand
1 Swamp
3 Island
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea

SD:

2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Damnation
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Duress
2 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Collective Brutality
1 Toxic Deluge
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Flusterstorm

I think it is very solid and hardly played. Now I really want to try the U / R version. But I do not see many lists. If someone has tried it I would like to hear your opinion.

Regards!

[sdematt]

Just to be sure it's not a mistake, so with 4 decays in the board?

It was 2 Decays, I mis-spoke.

[sdematt]

Hi!

I see that most U / B lists are very similar. I played the same in the last OvinoXII (187 players) making a 6-0 +2 splits and losing the final vs 4C

Creatures [5]

2 Tombstalker
3 Snapcaster Mage

Instants [16]
2 Counterspell
2 Diabolic Edict
4 Brainstorm
4 Fatal Push
4 Force of Will

Sorceries [8]
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Innocent Blood
2 Ponder
3 Thoughtseize

Enchantments [4]
4 Standstill

Planeswalkers [3]
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Lands [24]

1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Flooded Strand
1 Swamp
3 Island
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea

SD:

2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Damnation
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Duress
2 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Collective Brutality
1 Toxic Deluge
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Flusterstorm

I think it is very solid and hardly played. Now I really want to try the U / R version. But I do not see many lists. If someone has tried it I would like to hear your opinion.

Regards!

I think UR is CERTAINLY viable, I just always wonder if URb Landstill wouldn't just be better, again, giving you all the goodies like Fatal Push, Toxic, etc. I could see straight UR, though. Also, thoughts on URg?

I think the solid standstill "core" probably floats around something like...

3 Snapcaster

3 Jace, TMS
4 Standstill

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Counterspell

3-5 Manlands

So I'd run UR like:

3 Snapcaster Mage
X Grim Lavamancer

4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
1 Counterspell
1 Mana Leak
2 Spell Snare
4 Standstill

1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Keranos, God of Storms
X Vedalken Shackles?
3 Engineered Explosives

3 Lightning Bolt
X Pyroclasms

3 Island
1 Mountain
8 Fetches
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Splash Dual for Explosives
3 Volcanic Island
2 Wasteland
1 Academy Ruins

Obviously numbers are off, but you get what I mean.

[sdematt]

I'd also run this as my new list:

3 Liliana, the Last Hope
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

4 Force of Will
1 Counterspell
1 Mana Leak
4 Brainstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Standstill
1 Life from the Loam

2 Toxic Deluge
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Fatal Push
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Darkblast

3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Leovold (testing, will see. Otherwise, it'll be 1 Garruk Relentless and another Diabolic Edict)


4 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
2 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
23
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1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Diabolic Edict
3 Flusterstorm
3 Chill
2 Ground Seal
2 Duress
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm

[Koplinchen]

I'd also run this as my new list:

3 Liliana, the Last Hope
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

4 Force of Will
1 Counterspell
1 Mana Leak
4 Brainstorm
2 Spell Snare
4 Standstill
1 Life from the Loam

2 Toxic Deluge
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Fatal Push
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Darkblast

3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Leovold (testing, will see. Otherwise, it'll be 1 Garruk Relentless and another Diabolic Edict)


4 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Forest
3 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
2 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
23
-----
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Diabolic Edict
3 Flusterstorm
3 Chill
2 Ground Seal
2 Duress
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Charm

Wonderful Matt! I didnt know you play blue. :P Why would you play Darkblast? It combos with Lili but its not all that great on it own, is it? Isnt Lili alone enough? And do you think Chill is the way? You bring it in against Burn/ur delver only, no? I mean BEB counters it and you can have it against K Command, Sneak, Pyromancer... And I love Groundseal but you bring it against Shaman decks as well - its here where Life from the Loam shines and suddendly it doesent work. Not to mention it conflicts with you Caster. Isnt Nihil Spellbomb better? Do you think you can afford to run basic Forest? Thank you (I love Standstill) Tomáš Vlček

[Bosque]

I just always wonder if URb Landstill wouldn't just be better, again, giving you all the goodies like Fatal Push, Toxic, etc.

I tried a URB list for a few locals, it was fun having all of the tools, but it was greedy. When it worked I always felt in the game and generally had an even win/loss record, but sometimes just lost to a terrible mana base and unkeepable hands.. I tinkered with it a bit, but in general was playing something like the list below.

Creatures:
1 Grim Lavamancer
4 Snapcaster Mage

Spells:
4 Brainstorm
3 Fatal Push
1 Diabolic Edict
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Ponder
1 Spell Pierce
4 Stifle
2 Counterspell
1 Sweltering Suns
1 Toxic Deluge
4 Force of Will

Artifacts/Enchantments/Planeswalkers:
4 Standstill
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Land:
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Cabal Pit
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Flooded Strand
2 Island
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

Sideboard:
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Vendillion Clique
1 Cryptic Serpent
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Invasive Surgery
1 Pyroblast
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
1 Counterspell
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Smash to Smithereens
1 Toxic Deluge

Particularly greedy was keeping the 4 Stifle 4 Wasteland from the UR lists I like, as well as both Barbarian Ring and Cabal Pit. I think if anyone were to play something similar I would suggest dropping the Stifles, going down a Wasteland or two, Picking a primary splash color (red or black), and keeping your sweepers and removal land of that color (either Toxic D and C Pit or Sweltering Suns and B Ring, but not both). Smash could be Abrade, I just didn't have any.