Correct.
When I'm on the play you can either drop Major, i bounce it and win. Or you leave up factory, then I level up and win.
Right?
But I should lose on the draw, you are correct. You can just attack with factory.
Should be a 3-3.
Sneaky Pirates of Doom - Not really a Legacy Team anymore.
Arbor is a land. You can't bounce it or Factory. He keeps Dryad Arbor, Port and Factory. He can Port Karakas forever, preventing you from leveling up Student (sorcery speed) while keeping 1/1 Arbor on defense. If you trade with Arbor, he kills you with Factory.
OTP
You - Student
Him - Arbor
You - Level 1. Can't attack or you trade with Arbor.
Him - Port
You - (upkeep Port), attack for 1
Him - Factory
You - (upkeep Port, keeping up Arbor). Stalemate
DRAW
OTD
Him - Factory
You - Student
Him - Port
You - Level 1. Can't attack into Factory.
Him - Arbor
You - (upkeep Port). Can't attack into Arbor
Him - Attack you for 1 with Arbor.
If you block and trade, you lose to Factory.
If you race back with 1/1 Student, he wins this race because he got to get the first attack in OTD.
LOSS
Should be Draw + Loss = 1 pt
OTD he wins. Divest takes Student, Factory kills you.16. phonics: Bayou, Mishra's Factory, Divest, Mayor of Avabruck
OTP I play Student and Leyline handels his threads and Student goes the distance, OTD he takes Student and we draw => 4
OTP I think you still win because every turn that he leaves mana for Factory you get to level up Student. He has to either keep casting Mayor to force you to bounce (then taking 1 damage a turn with no blockers) or you level up and beat Factory.
WIN LOSS = 3 pts
Edit: I see you Ninja'd the phonics one before I posted.
Just updated my scores with 2 extra points because I realise I win on the play vs phonics
@FTW: You are right of course! I completly spaced on the arbor being a land...
Sneaky Pirates of Doom - Not really a Legacy Team anymore.
I haven't seen any requests for bannings yet.
Shall we stick to the current list for round 3?
Since I was getting heated I figured i'd step out for a bit; here I am with the results as i figured them. Massive wall of text inbound.
Matches are described in reverse order since I needed to see decklists when writing them
I was very sad someone else found Mayor of Avabruck haha!
Season 2
1. Asthereal (TO): Cavern of Souls, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mother of Runes, Chancellor of the Tangle WW +6
2. CptHaddock: Form of the Dragon, Mercadian Bazaar, Force of Will, Snapback WW +6
3. apple713: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Force of Will, Deputy of Detention DD +2 EDIT: LL
4. ronco: Force of Will, Sea's Claim, tundra, student of warfare DD +2
5. JackaBo: Ancient tomb, lupine prototype, lupine prototype, field of ruin LL
6. kombatkiwi: Young Wolf, Mind Swords, Shrieking Affliction, Bayou WL +3
7. tescrin: Mayor of Avabruck, Dryad Arbor, Rishadan Port, Mishra's Factory --
8. Wrath of Pie: Lion's Eye Diamond, Gibbering Descent, Karakas, Leyline of Singularity WW +6
9. Mr. Safety: Swamp, Duress, Innocent Blood, Chronomaton WW +6
10. spirit of the wretch: Force of Will, Leyline of Singularity, Karakas, Student of Warfare WW +6
11. H: Cavern of Souls, Swamp, Lupine Prototype, Duress WW +6
12. Dan Pyre: Cavern of Souls, City of Traitors, Rattleclaw Mystic, Brimstone Mage WW +6
13. PirateKing: Keldon Megaliths, Rakdos Carnarium, Nezumi Shortfang, Kolaghan's Command WD +4
14. Tylert: Leyline of Singularity, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Karakas, Lotus Petal DD +2
15. Ace/Homebrew: Pendelhaven, Thallid, Thallid, Thallid WW +6
16. phonics: Bayou, Mishra's Factory, Divest, Mayor of Avabruck WL +3
17. FTW: City of Traitors, Chronomaton, Chronomaton, Lupine Prototype WW +6
18. Kap'n Cook: Force of Will, Judge's Familiar, Tropical Island, Greenbelt Rampager WW +6
74/102
[spoilers]
Kap'n OTP (you have to hold force up for mayor or you lose to infinite wolf tokens)
Trop, Belt#1
port
Belt#2
Factory
gets ported
arbor
gets ported => locked out, dies to arbor
FTW OTP
city, Lupine
arbor
(don't wait to cast or you'll get locked out), cast two chronos, swing for 5 (15)
port, mayor
swing for 5, (10)
mayor flips, creates token, I hold, you pump your guys to 2/2s
Lupine can't swing without dying (factory + wolf, you'd kill the wolf because it's more efficient)
Token #2, chronos are now 3/3
-
Token #3, chronos are now 4/4
-> If you attack now, you lose your chronos, I go to 5, and then you die to infinite wolves
-
...
-
Token #6, chronos are now 7/7
-> if you attack now, each chrono is triple blocked and you still lose both, I take 0 (chump lupine) and then you die
...
-
Token #10, chronos are now 9/9. I swing factory, 9 tokens, mayor, and arbor for a total of 33, of which you can block 9, and you die.
phonics OTP
swamp, divest (take mayor)
-> i'll lose to a sea of wolves
OTD
arbor
swamp divest (take mayor)
port
port your mana
factory
port your mana, hit you for 1 (you never cast mayor and die)
Ace OTP
Pendle, Thallid
Arbor
Pendle, Thallid, TC#1->1, swing for 1
Factory, Mayor
Pendle, Thallid, TC#1->2, TC#2->1, swing for 2 (17)
Port
Mayor flips, TC#1->3, TC#2->2, TC#3->1. Create a sap from TC#1
Mayor creates a 3/3 wolf
TC#1->1, TC#2->3, TC#3->2. Create a sap from TC#2
Mayor creates 3/3 wolf #2
TC#1->2, TC#2->1, TC#3->3. Create a sap from TC#3 (3 saps)
Mayor creates 3/3 wolf #3
TC#1->3, TC#2->2, TC#3->1. Create a sap from TC#1 (3 saps)
Mayor creates 3/3 wolf #4, swing for 9. Pump from pendle + 1 extra sap block a wolf. Wolves back to 3, saps back to 3. take 6 (14)
-> you lose to 3/3 wolves because they're bigger than 1/1 saps, so long as I allow the army to grow large enough that you either have to lose HP or lose ground in the tokens competition.
Tylert OTP
karakas, lotus, Thalia
Arbor
swing for 2 (18)
Factory
Stalemate (thalia loses to factory, factory/arbor lose to thalia if attacking)
Pirate OTP
megaliths
Arbor (I have to threaten mayor ASAP)
Carnarium bouncing mega
port -> mayor (I have to port to threaten to lock him out, I have to cast mayor or he kills arbor with Kolaghan's, meaning I can't cast mayor anyway)
If he uses kolaghan's he get's locked out, he plays Nez
Factory, swing for 1 (19) (don't block!)
Mayor trigger, in response KComm, killing mayor. Nez wins the race handily starting next turn or so
EDIT: it seems if I instead just port him and accept I have to get KComm'd, making this a draw instead of a loss
Pirate OTD
Arbor
megaliths
port, mayor
carnarium
mayor flips => GG
Dan OTP
Cavern go
Arbor go
city, rattle go
factory mayor go
brimstone
-
mayor flips before brimstone can level, port city using arbor. Dan's dudes can't attack through the 3/3
mayor creates a token
repeat last turn -> Dan will lose to a sea of wolves OTP
H OTP
cavern
arbor
swamp, lupine
port, mayor
duress, swing (15)
factory go
mayor flips, lupine will lose to Factory + 3/3 mayor if he attacks, and H dies to Arbor. If Lupine stays on blocks, he loses to 3/3 wolf tokens in a few turns
Spirit Wretch OTP he either has force or leyline, force is slightly better here to preserve his mana so he keeps leyline in hand
karakas, student
arbor
pump student, level 1, stay (he loses if he attacks)
port
port karakas, he attacks for 1 (19)
factory, swing for 1 (19)
port karakas, swing for 1 (18)
arbor swings for 1 (18)
.
.
.
arbor swings for 1 (3)
port karakas, if student swings I'll animate factory and hit for 3, winning the race. Thus he must block
arbor swings for 1 -> if he blocks factory kills him next turn, if he keeps taking 1, he loses. If he swings he loses.
->Win for tescrin
Saftey OTD
factory
swamp, chrono
port, port him down on upkeep
attack for 1 (tapped out)
arbor, port him down on upkeep
loses if he attacks, he holds back
mayor
he casts Innocent blood and hits arbor OR he pumps to 2/2. Regardless, he'll never untap again and lose to a swarm of wolves
Saftey OTP
swamp, chrono
port
pump chrono
factory
gets ported, swings for 2
arbor
gets ported, swings for 2 (16)
mayor
casts IB OR pumps chrono to a 3. Regardless he never untaps and loses to a swarm of 3/3 wolves (I'll always have a blocker so finding a way to make chrono a 4/4 doesn't help)
Pie OTD
factory
LED, Gibbering, karakas
discard mayor, go to 19, play port, hit for 2
-
discard arbor, go to 18, hit for 2 (16) I win the race
Pie OTP
LED, gibbering, karakas
(19) discard mayor, play factory
-
(18) discard arbor, play port, swing for 2 (18)
-
(17) swing for 2 (16) -> I win the race
kiwi OTD
arbor
bayou, young wolf
factory, mayor
mind-swords (getting port), affliction
(17), swing 2 (factory) (18)
Mayor Flips, hold to block
(14) Token is made, factory + mayor attack (let's perform the block now to simplify decisions) (16)
-
(11) Token is made, swing for 8 => I win the race (token + factory + mayor + mayor-pump)
kiwi OTP
bayou young wolf
factory
swing for 1, mind-swords hits Mayor and Arbor, cast affliction
port -> I lose the race
JackaBo OTD
Arbor
Tomb, Lupine, (18)
Factory -> mayor
Ruin, Lupine (16). swing for 5 (15)
Port, Mayor flips
Ruin Factory (14). swing for 10, (5)
ronco OTD
factory
tundra, student
port, swing for 2 (18)
student, level 1, swing for 1 (19) (if he claims he dies to Mayor)
arbor, port tundra on upkeep
student holds back and we stalemate => if he claims he can't force.
If I attack and he blocks he claims and I can't win
Instead, I port him every turn so he can't level or claim, and neither of us can reliably attack
Apple OTD
Factory
Vial
port - hit for 2
vial to 1
arbor - hit for 2 (4)
vial to 2
swing for 3 (7)
vial to 3
swing for 2
-> drops deputy, I cast mayor, he loses
he takes 2 instead to hold up force (9)
vial to 4
swing for 3 (12)
vial to 5
swing for 3 (15)
vial to 6
swing for 3 (18)
vial to 7
DRAW (he can't swing without dying, I'm 1 short of killing him if i swing)
OTP he's at 15 instead. Same deal except I'll have to swing twice instead. If he ever drops deputy I can cast mayor safely and stall him out until wolves kill him, so it's a DRAW since he can't attack without dying
EDIT: whoops! it has vigilance!
[/spoilers]
Can't you play into a draw?
Megaliths
Arbor
Carnarium bouncing Megaliths
Port -> tap my Carnarium on upkeep
Megaliths
Factory -> tap my Carnarium on upkeep, attack with Arbor
pass
pass ->tap my Carnarium on upkeep -> respond KCom kill arbor, you discard Mayor
You continue to Port my Carnarium and I can never resolve Stabwhisker the Odious (I'll take any excuse to say that)
If you play out Mayor it gives me the window to play out Nezumi Shortfang and then kill Mayor as you described, but if you just Port the whole game I can't ping with Megaliths because of the card in my hand.
I think you're right; it's a super technical MU because the greedy Kolaghan's is worse than Nez if you get the chance. I think I was thinking "I can't win with arbor cause he'll nuke it so I have to cast mayor" and didn't consider the draw. I must've played through that one like.. 5 different ways to make sure I didn't cheat him
He wins both. Chancellor of the Tangle has vigilance, so he can both attack and keep up his blocker.
FYI against Karakas decks you always have the option to Kolaghan's Command yourself to discard Shortfang and win with Hellbent Megaliths.
In this case, you could kill Arbor (shutting him off Mayor mana) and go hellbent, but then he doesn't need to Port you and Factory wins the race, so you're better off forcing the draw.
Against spiritofthewrench KCommand is a turn too slow to kill Student before it grows to 3/3, otherwise you would win that.
Brb putting leyline of singularity in my Legacy sb to hose YP + Arclight Phoenix
Blue and Taxes with 0 Islands and the full set of Karakas.
Also hoses Empty the Warrens hard on T0 (ANT, TES, Belcher) and makes Bridge from Below pretty bad. Prevents multiple TNNs. Also 4 Karakas > SnT.dec.
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