HOLY GOD! Spanish disentomb has a bad translation, and it says that you return the creature to the battlefield. Better than reanimate. :lol:
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
LMAO nice find!Originally Posted by DrJones
HOLY GOD! Spanish disentomb has a bad translation, and it says that you return the creature to the battlefield. Better than reanimate. :lol:
Is this yet another set with nothing for Legacy?
I think that the following cards have legacy potential (excluding reprints):
Ajani's Pridemate
Knight Exemplar
Leyline of Sanctity
Serra Ascendant
Squadron Hawk
Leyline of Anticipation
Preordain
Stormtide Leviathan
Bloodthrone Vampire
Demon of Death's Gate
Liliana's Caress
Phylactery Lich
Reassembling Skeleton
Viscera Seer
Chandra's Spitfire
Leyline of Punishment
Manic Vandal
Autumn's Veil
Fauna Shaman
Garruk's Packleader
Leyline of Vitality
Brittle Effigy
Crystal Ball
Steel Overseer and
Temple bell.
Not all of them will make the cut, and some sleepers only need wizards to print more support in later expansions to make them good.
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
I'd go with a much smaller list:
Reassembling Skeleton (maybe, depends if theres a deck that wants this effect, but its ability is definitely "on power level")
Squadron Hawk (Death and Taxes wants to pair this up with Stoneforge Mystic to basically invalidate/overload point removal)
Crystal Ball (possibly the card that puts Stax over the top? Or possibly just another not quite this time)
Leyline of Sanctity (will see a lot of sideboard action)
Autumn's Veil (more sideboard stuff)
Preordain (Ponder 5-8, which means BS 9-12, which means use in a fairly limited number of decks)
Fauna Shaman (makes Elf decks marginally better)
And I think that's about it. However, from a core set, thats freaking amazing. Good job wizards.
Yes, Yes it is another set with nothing for Legacy. But, it is hella good for limited stand alone play.
Leyline of Sanctity
Preordain
Reassembling Skeleton
Autumn's Veil
Leyline of Vitality
Crystal Ball
Temple bell
Gotta go with that much adding Time Reversal and Redirect. Time Reversal is flat better than Diminishing Returns in some cases. It's a finesse card.
Redirect might be finally decent enough of an ability on a card with a casting cost that makes it playable. I plan to test it out though. I liked Divert well enough, but it lost it's appeal after a few turns, this one's good for longer. Might be worth it.
I'm surprised you put Leyline of Vitality on that list, you know the trick with it? I figured that was fairly innocuous so far.
I figured it was good in Zoo against Zoo.
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
MMogg, I love you more and more."I stand corrected," said the man in the orthopedic shoes.
So how about this one:
Pretty sweet, huh. By my definition of key it fits the flavour perfectly.
Was this even a real Skeggi's hero?Lol. You're my hero.
Aww... sigged!
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Voltaic Key's art probably has roots in early Magic the Gathering Lore. What the art probably is is a key comprised of various smaller power stones, which grants access to some Thran (or other powerstone driven civilization) device. At least that is my interpretation. I mean the original did come from the Urza's Saga set, so it stands to reason that it has something to do with the Thran since that was the civilization that all 3 of the main characters of that entire block (Mishra, Urza, and Yawgmoth) were obsessed with in one way or another. Even though I don't know whether Mishra actually made an appearance in the actual storyline of the Urza's block, but he was a fundamental character in shaping the background of the block.
Keeping in mind that the M11 art is also the art that appears on the version from the Phyrexia vs. the Coalition version of the card, making it even more likely that the art represents a key made from Power Stones.
Skeleton, I just don't see. I'd rather have Bloodghast.
I also don't see Squadron Hawk. I get that drawing one is like drawing four if it enters the battlefield, but it still costs eight mana to play all of them. Why not just play Spectral Procession and get three 1/1 flyers for three mana? Procession (although it was excellent in Standard) never made the cut in Legacy, so I don't see the attraction with Squadron Hawk.
Crystal Ball seems more like just another "not quite this time."
I agree that Leyline of Sanctity will see sideboard play, but I'm not sure about Autumn's Veil. There are better option out there.
Preordian doesn't seem great in the current Legacy. I don't see many decks that are running more than eight cantrips, and it doesn't measure up to Brainstorm and Ponder. Back in the day, Threshold lists would run up to 12 cantrips to help ramp up their Nimble Mongoose and Warebear. Those cards have fallen out of favor.
I don't think that Fauna Shaman makes elves better. I'm not sure what I would replace it with. It can't fetch a creature the turn it comes into play and it can only grab one creature at a time.
I think Shaman helps with games that go long, when you can trade in a Llanowar for a Joraga, or find a Viridian Shaman to hit a Chalice@1 or something. I understand the unfavorable comparison with Pact in that situation, but you can use Shaman on a turn when you're not ready to go off after playing your hate, but want to next turn, and its also a dude who's pumped by archdruid et. al. I don't think it's MUCH of an improvement to the deck, but I do think its a very minor one. However, there's also at least a reasonable probability that its not, so... meh.
Squadron Hawk > Procession because if you're just sticking equipment on something, you'd rather keep backups in your hand than put them all on the table and then wear down their removal by using equipment to make a bad card into an evasive threat every turn.
Squadron Hawk is better than Procession because of Brainstorm, and because it thins your deck, and because of equipment(like mentioned above). In terms of Brainstorm, adding it to the Brainstorm/Fetchland synergy allows you to essentially, use Hawk/Brainstorm as an Ancestral Recall.
You play Hawk, grabbing two Hawks, Brainstorm them away, and then crack your fetchland, shuffling them away. You just got 3 new cards and a 1/1 flyer for 3 mana. Sounds pretty good to me.
Honestly, in my opinion, Squadron Hawk should only be played as a 3-of, due to hand size issues as well as the Brainstorm thing; oftentimes you will only want to grab two Hawks. Of course, it might go to four Hawks because in lategame situations you might want the extra flyer, but...we'll see.
All I'm saying is: I hope I rip like 6 of them for my sealed prerelease tomorrow ;).
I suppose that makes sense about the Hawk. Extra cards is always nice with brainstorm. I suppose that with Stoneforge Mystic and fetchable equipment, it could also work in D&T. As for the Shaman, it still seems bad to me. However, I have to admit that I have not yet tested it in my survival elves deck. It might end up being better than I think.
Overall, I'll still say that M11 has very little to offer in terms of quality cards for top-tier decks (at least for the new cards).
Squadron Hawk also eats Cabal Therapy like no ones business. I am not liking the hawk in any build I can think of for Death and Taxes. For one thing you would have to decide on something to take out of the deck that is comparable, and the only slot that is even close to being comparable is that of Serra Avenger. And in all honesty Serra Avenger is so amazingly superior to the Squadron Hawk that it isn't even up for a debate. There really is no place for the hawk in the deck that I can see.
On the other hand there are people debating the inclusion of Sword of Vengeance in Death and Taxes. Personally I am not thrilled with the card, but I suppose it COULD work.
Squadron Hawk might eat Cabal Therapy like no ones business, it also enables Cabal Therapy like no ones business.Squadron Hawk also eats Cabal Therapy like no ones business. I am not liking the hawk in any build I can think of for Death and Taxes. For one thing you would have to decide on something to take out of the deck that is comparable, and the only slot that is even close to being comparable is that of Serra Avenger. And in all honesty Serra Avenger is so amazingly superior to the Squadron Hawk that it isn't even up for a debate. There really is no place for the hawk in the deck that I can see.
On the other hand there are people debating the inclusion of Sword of Vengeance in Death and Taxes. Personally I am not thrilled with the card, but I suppose it COULD work.
Squadron Hawk sounds more fit in UW Tempo than in Death and Taxes. I think it would be interesting to see a UW Tempo build that cuts Fathom Seers and runs Squadron Hawk and Jace, the Mind Sculptor.
I have to admit, outside of a Dredge deck... this is probably one of the best cabal therapy enabling engines that Wizards has come up with in ages. So that is true. However that said it does die to the very thing it enables, but in truth you have a very slim chance to come up against an opposing cabal therapy the very instant that you cast a squadron hawks. That said, I still think the hawks is significantly sub par to various other options available in white.
I mean the hawk is basically the white version (without the trigger cost) of the Elf that searches for its compatriots when it is played or whatever it is. And that if I am not mistaken puts them directly onto the field. Yet that see's next to no play at all and is I think a 2/2. So really how much more play is a card that puts them into your hand when you cast the card creates 1/1's (even though they are flying 1/1's) and is a great deal more vulnerable to hate cards going to see?
This is a reprint. Hasn't done anything despite being legal for 3 months.
it is basically a strictly worse nantuko husk or vampire aristocrat is it not? And how much play do either of those see in the format? They don't even get played in the Gate, a deck which could potentially abuse the sac outlet....
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