For the duals, if you're still deciding which way to jump between ANT/TES, hold off on #2. If you go TES, the best will be badlands. If you go ANT, I'd recommend a second sea (sea into sea lets you have the choice of discard/cantrip or discard/ritual and IME is usually what I want to be playing for).
As for which is better in the meta, I can't rightly tell you. I'm biased in that I think ANT is more enjoyable to play and I'm not likely to pick up TES, regardless of meta. I don't like drawing Chrome Mox, I like playing cantrips and i think PiF is one of the best cards in legacy on a raw power level. In fact you're unlikely to get any neutral answers on this unfortunately beyond trying both and seeing which one works out best for you
Ye_old_storm_boy, Fangzie speaks the truth.
The metagame is in a really unstable place right now, largely because of the London mulligan. I would keep testing with proxies and/or shocklands to see how things shake out before committing to anything. (It's worth pointing out that recent printings, bannings, and unilateral rules changes/proposed rules changes are clearly geared toward knocking Storm out of the range of playability.)
As a caveat, I've not played much TES and I don't feel particularly comfortable judging its efficacy. With that said, and without a lot of experience in the brave new world we're almost certainly about to enter, I'm looking more and more toward TES over AnT simply because it's in a better position to get under a T1–2 Chalice of the Void, which we're almost definitely going to start seeing every game from at least a fifth to a sixth of our opponents.
I'm a committed Storm enthusiast, and I'm not pleased about the way things are going.
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There are a few lists like that, I've brewed/tried a few myself, and I wouldn't really recommend them. You end up with this issue of not being able to serve either half of your Cabal Rit/PiF or Chrome Mox/Wish engines well enough.
For example, Cabal Ritual is really awkward with Wish because there is a hidden requirement for multiple red mana for Wish in a lot of practical scenarios (Burning Wish > EtW needs RR, Wish > PiF also needs RR), the idea that you can tap out for Wish turn 2 and then pass having sent up a huge tell on what your combo approach is going to be is really dubious, you're liable to get hit by any hatebear, Hymn, nonbasic hate etc. Conversely, Rite of Flame isn't all that great with PiF loops, as the critical color you'll want is black to replay Tutors. Moreover, Rite of Flame getting exiled on Flashbacks degrades all future copies, whereas Cabal Rituals are always fine as long as you maintain Threshold with any card in your GY. Of course, it also goes without saying that Chrome Mox and PiF do not play well together, but that just speaks to the other deck building issue, and that is that a lot of the room for Wish or Chrome Mox comes at the expense of Preordains, tech cards and the occasional land, which means the deck becomes more exposed to variance in draws and play patterns.
I do see some ANT list with 1-of Wishes or Chrome Moxes in the 75, though, and my TES list has a pair of Cabal Rits rounding out the tech slots, so, it's not like you can't blur the card choices a bit. The issue with trying to do a "hybrid" is that some of the cards just don't have good synergy and you diminish the strengths of either path along the way without really gaining as much. TES is very fast, and probably the best deck at exploiting Ad Nauseam and Burning Wish, whereas ANT is one of the most resilient combos, leveraging the strength of Past in Flames and natural Storm; I think it's probably a better idea to try and discern which concept fits the meta better, as opposed to trying to do some "Next Level" stuff.
What is the best way to pick up duals? im fine with buying the cheaper ones from my LGS, but I need a second sea and the do not have one
I probably can't say for sure which is better among 3 and 4 color lists, as I haven't taken the time to test Pernicious Deed, which is the green card Slosh plays that I'm curious about the most. I will grant that, I don't really see that many Wastelands anymore, so maybe the opportunity cost isn't that high these days for a 4th color. My main logic for sticking to grixis was that staying in 3 colors let me play 3-5 basics, which was very hard for opponents to disrupt, and also that I don't think many of the green cards are really all that good or necessary (though, again, I didn't test Deed, the closest I've come is playing EE a few times).
As for SB guides, idk about Slosh, but I move through a lot of different versions of ANT, and also switch between TES (which I'm currently playing now), so I don't usually take time to write down stuff in depth when I'll only be on a list for 25-50 matches. I could write up some quick notes if there's a list of mine you're curious about, and then you could follow the same general logic as you end up adjusting your own list.
Thank you so much, thats very helpful. I am intrigued by your list on the MTG goldfish meta game page, https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1831179#paper, and if you had some notes thatd be great.
Weeeeheeeheeeeeell, Timetwister seems pretty cool.
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Thought about it, but it makes Cabal Ritual bad, and I'd want to start the turn with a Silence before gifting my opponent a fresh hand, so it seems better placed in a 5-color old fashioned TES build.
Don't get me wrong, either way the card is bonkers, it's on track to be gas to a number of decks.
Yeah, I think you're right on both counts. It's interesting to me because I've been kicking around a white splash independently (Monastery Mentor seems good even when we have trouble building spell chains), so maybe Silence would be good to try.
Interesting to see that an in-hand Eons works similarly to Past in Flames if we crack a Diamond in response to a Tutor. Ostensibly significantly worse, but I feel like there's something there.
On a different subject, what do people think of Shatter Assumptions for our sideboard? If we don't have a Ritual, it might be too slow to consider, but it might crack those damnable Eldrazis pretty hard on the play.
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How do people feel about echo of eons in the builds that dont use ad nauseum?
I'm interested in giving it a try. I don't know that all you'd need to cut would be Ad Nauseam: we'd need another way to tip the scales in our favor after giving our opponents a fresh set of seven cards, and drawing seven is a lot less good than drawing 18, but the card is patently nuts. Anyone been switching out green for white lately?
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Seems like decklists with Daze are doing better recently, how does having Daze fundamentally change how the deck plays out, particularly in the early game?
CyrusCG would you happen to have a sideboard guide for this list https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1986957#paper?
Question for ANT players from someone who hasn't piloted storm decks: In a vacuum, which would be harder for you to deal with, Rest in Peace, or Nevermore (on Infernal Tutor I guess? Dark Ritual? Tendrils of Agony?) I had the option of which to cast in a recent game, and I wasn't sure.
I cast RiP because I feel like the majority of ANT go-offs involve Cabal Ritual or Past in Flames, and it's a higher percentage than the go-offs that include any of the specific cards to name with Nevermore. But maybe RiP is less of a stumbling block than naming Infernal Tutor, if they seem to have enough mana, and Dark Ritual, if they seem short on mana.
In a vaccuum, Nevermore. Naming Tendrils of Agony game 1 will typically result in an instant concession, and Infernal Tutor games 2 and/or 3 will usually put you in a pretty good position.
Rest in Peace is annoying, but typically ANT players prepare for facing grave hate after game 1 (often siding out 1 copy of Past in Flames and other cards that are graveyard reliant, such as Dark Petition, and in some cases 1 copy of Cabal Ritual in grindier matchups). Naming Infernal Tutor, on the other hand, makes an ANT player have to find an answer, or find Ad Nauseam/Empty the Warrens and hope to get there.
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