MWS Source Tournament (Discussion)

[technogeek5000]

Well, I recieved several suggestions and one PM that I do just this and I did think it was a good idea. If you need to connect with your opponent, comment or complain on matchups, suggest prize structure changes, etc... do it here. Several people have brought up reworking the prize structure so I would like to know everyones opinion on it, and if you think it needs reworking, give a example based on the cards in the prize pool. Also, Im going to use this thread to keep track of which matches have been completed or not.

Current Round: 1
1. mishima_kazuya 0-2-0 Dapug
2. Di vs. Internet Hate Machine
3. Technogeek5000 0-2-0 Jaiminho
4. Slay vs. apoq
5. thefreakaccident vs. liek
6. HummingbirdTG 2-0-0 znoyes
7. Swing4five vs. koinah
8. klaus 2-1-0 Illisius
9. Papillion 0-2-0 Whit3 Ghost
10. frekish777 vs. lavafrogg
11. Eseph 0-2-0 GreenOne
12. mathewCURBSTOMP 1-1-1 geosgaen0
13. THEchubbymuffin 1-2-0 Sanguine Voyeur
14. Yamelle 1-2-0 Mister Agent
15. Ray.N 2-0-0 dude 666
16. Avatar of Light vs. Phantom
17. B.C. vs. Cathal83
18. Corrupted Angel 2-0-0 iOWN
19. Mr Wiggl3s 0-2-0 The Wes
20. crz87 vs. Phantom It
21. Cabal-kun 0-2-0 Poichoi
22. Bando vs. YuanTi
23. Eldariel 2-1-0 Jak.
24. Roodmistah vs. JeroenC
25. suprafan386 vs. Toq
26. Nihil Credo 2-0-0 Verdana
27. Der_imaginäre_Freund 2-0-0 VuRkka
28. Wallace 2-0-0 PunkRocker1134
29. Giles 2-0-0 KillemallCFH
30. Shivanking 2-0-0 Kuma
31. Deepfrieddynamite 2-0-0 Vanele
32. Kadaj vs. Joon
33. Elfrago 2-1-0 Al Von Springroll
34. Isamaru 0-2-0 Adan
35. mOxMoNgEr 0-2-0 Brehn
36. Valtrix 2-0-0 idraleo
37. TheInfamousBearAssasin 0-2-0 Van Phanel
38. The Rack 1-2-0 Roman Candle
39. Maagler * BYE *

[lavafrogg]

Hey my workstation had to be rebooted and my deck code changed to 2ece39ac. I havent been able to contact my opponent yet...

[PhanTom_lt]

crz87 hasn't replied neither to pm nor to email, and hasn't been logged in here since the 12th.

[thefreakaccident]

Me and my opponent keep missing each other, and his only time to spare are on the day before and during the day when the round ends... And I wanted to get it done ASAP... :( ...

Anyways, I hope we don't miss each other on the final days, that would be unfortunate...

[B.C.]

Second PM sent to Cathal83. It's starting to look unlikely that he will respond.

[technogeek5000]

crz87: Neither you or your opponent have means of contacting each other instantly. If crz doesnt respond and the round ends, then you are awarded the win.

B.C.: You, on the other hand, do not have AIM while your opponent does. AIM is probably the most effective way of contacting people so I would suggest getting a account and seeing if you can reacvh him on that.

thefreakaccident: Not sure what to say. I would ask your oppoenent approximately what times he will be on on the last day and try as hard as you can not to miss him. Again, liek has aim so I suggest you make a account and it will be easier to get in contact.

Also just a general announcement: If anyone does not show up for their round two times in a row, then that person is disqualified.

[B.C.]

B.C.: You, on the other hand, do not have AIM while your opponent does. AIM is probably the most effective way of contacting people so I would suggest getting a account and seeing if you can reacvh him on that.

It's not worth it to me to install AIM on my computer just for this. I feel like I have made a legitimate attempt to contact the other player.


EDIT: Just left him a message on myspace as well.

[Kadaj]

Just for what it's worth, I've sent Joon a PM and added him on MSN. He hasn't logged on MSN at all and hasn't replied to my PMs. I'm leaving for the rest of the day in about 15 minutes, and probably won't be available for most of Tuesday either, so it's more or less tomorrow or never for me. What happens if he returns on Tuesday, for example, but I am not available due to work commitments? I may or may not actually end up being able to play on Tuesday, but it's just an example.

[Di]

I think my opponent is dead. They haven't logged on in a month.

[Sims]

PMs have been sent to iOWN whom does not have a listed AIM or MSN name up there, and he hasn't been logged in since 7/13.

I'm going to be heading out to do some shopping with the missus and then out to dinner with the parents later to celebrate multiple anniversarys this month. It's either going to be tomorrow afternoon or tuesday early in the day before my promotion interviews that will be the best for me, but I've thrown my cards in.

Edit: I take it back, he's been logged in since then but his profile hasn't registered it. He said in the other thread that he was busy until the 20th, which is today, so with any luck tomorrow or tuesday we'll be able to get the match in. Guess I'm prematurely posting about a potential to miss round 1.

[emidln]

If anyone needs to use AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc but doesn't have the ability or will to install the appropriate software, there is a web-based client for these services at www.meebo.com You will still have to sign up for a username from AIM/MSN/whatever but you don't have to install their bug-ridden software just to contact one person.

[diffy]

If anyone needs to use AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc but doesn't have the ability or will to install the appropriate software, there is a web-based client for these services at www.meebo.com You will still have to sign up for a username from AIM/MSN/whatever but you don't have to install their bug-ridden software just to contact one person.

Or just use a multi-protocol messenger like Trillian (http://www.trillian-messenger.net/en) (near to no setup needed) or Miranda (http://www.miranda-im.org/) (very customizable). There's really no reason to use the original software if there's open source alternatives which are more powerful, less buggy and with less spyware/adds.

[Eldariel]

I'd just like to inform my potential next round opponent that I'll be out of town for at least a few days and thus may have difficulty scheduling the next match. I should be home for at least one day towards the end of the week though.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Van's having internet problems. We're going to try to work out our match for tomorrow.

[Van Phanel]

Indeed. Hopefully we will get our game played until tommorow evening.

[Kadaj]

And so it is now official, I will not be available tomorrow. What happens if Joon returns tomorrow when I'm not going to be here?

[Verdana]

how long do rounds take?

[Maagler]

anyone else up for restructuring the prizes to incorporate top four?

[Van Phanel]

I just realized that I had forgotten about summer time. Because of that I am actually on GMT+2. This is also true for any other German in the tournament (I have no idea about the other european countries).

[klaus]

I'm not sure whether this is the best spot to post it but...

Whoever gets paired against me in round 2 - let's play asap! I won't be availlable July 25th(morning) through 28th (night). Meaning we need to play either on the 23rd or 24th.
Please let my hard fought victory over Illissius not be worthless :frown:

Klaus

[PhanTom_lt]

I'm on the same boat as Di: my opponent is dead, unable to reply even to emails.

[B.C.]

I'm on the same boat as Di: my opponent is dead, unable to reply even to emails.

Same. I'm officially calling him a no-show.

[Avatar of Light]

Phantom has been on, and he did post about his deck code screwing up, but he hasn't responded to my PM.

[Liek]

I'm using a different computer, and my deck code changed. Is that a problem?

Also, not being online at the same time as my opponent has been very awkward. I'm online right now...

Edit: I have to go to class now, and then I have work right after it, which won't end until after Round 1 ends. What's the procedure for this?

[technogeek5000]

not if you get it to me before you play.

[technogeek5000]

Edit: I have to go to class now, and then I have work right after it, which won't end until after Round 1 ends. What's the procedure for this?

Unfortunately if both players have contacted each other and cant play their games its a draw.

Also Im really suprised as to how many people havent finished their matches. If I were to extend the round by a day would everyone (or everyone who's opponent hasnt died) be able to finish their matches

[Wallace]

Unfortunately if both players have contacted each other and cant play their games its a draw.

Also Im really suprised as to how many people havent finished their matches. If I were to extend the round by a day would everyone (or everyone who's opponent hasnt died) be able to finish their matches

I don't think it should be extended another day, IMHO. The rounds a 5 days long, that means 35 days for the regular rounds and 15 more days for the top 8. 5 days is plenty of time, I had trouble finding time to play my match, but I got it done,.

[Maagler]

I don't think it should be extended another day, IMHO. The rounds a 5 days long, that means 35 days for the regular rounds and 15 more days for the top 8. 5 days is plenty of time, I had trouble finding time to play my match, but I got it done,.

+1

[Wallace]

+1

LoL says the man with the buy...Plus if we extend this round by one day it would only be fair to extend every round by a day...

[Maagler]

LoL says the man with the buy...Plus if we extend this round by one day it would only be fair to extend every round by a day...

I'm just ready to play another sourcer. Feels like i have been waiting for a week for the end of the round.

[Cabal-kun]

Also Im really suprised as to how many people havent finished their matches.

Don't be. It'll happen each round.

[Wallace]

The rounds should really run from 12 Midnight till 12 Midnight 5 days later. This will avoid any confusion on the time, so if round 2 starts Wednesday morning @12:00 am (EST) it will end at 11:59 pm (EST) on Sunday. If you want to start it a little later so you have more time to input the results then do that, but make every round the same format for time.

[Van Phanel]

I just PM'd Mister Agent. Hopefully we can play our game tommorow, if he is online the same time as today. Otherwise I won't be available for the rest of the round as I'm attending GP Madrid this weekend and I'll only get back home on monday evening. Whoever plays me next round please note this as well.

[PhanTom_lt]

Or just use a multi-protocol messenger like Trillian (http://www.trillian-messenger.net/en) (near to no setup needed) or Miranda (http://www.miranda-im.org/) (very customizable). There's really no reason to use the original software if there's open source alternatives which are more powerful, less buggy and with less spyware/adds.


Heh, thanks. Had no idea such things existed. anyway, I registered on all of them, and added my oppo on contact list.

[Liek]

legacy makes me sick

i drop

[thefreakaccident]

That's not cool man... NOT cool at all.

[Liek]

I can't top 8, and I don't want to play any more rounds, so I drop.

GL to all still battling.

[Eldariel]

I'd like 6 day rounds; that would make every round have at least one weekend day making life much easier for people with jobs, especially at different timezones. Also would allow me to play my match on the next round (I'll be reading to Rome on Sunday evening and returning on Saturday morning, and I won't have any internet access advanced enough to run MWS over that time), provided that my opponent happened to have time on the following saturday.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Hey, how many rounds does this thing have? I don't think it's posted anywhere and I don't know how to figure it out.

[Jaiminho]

A good guess is ceiling(log2([number of players])). Anyway, I remember seeing it written as 7 rounds.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

log39~1.556, log2~.301, 1.556/.301~5.169.

Even if you round up that doesn't equal 7.

[Brehn]

log39~1.556, log2~.301, 1.556/.301~5.169.

Even if you round up that doesn't equal 7.

You're so much right. We're just 39 players in this tournament.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

You're so much right. We're just 39 players in this tournament.Or, you know, you could correct me instead of useless sarcasm.

Log(76)/log(2)~6.2, which rounds up to seven.

But what if you factor in drops?

[Nihil Credo]

The number of rounds is set at the beginning and doesn't change later due to drops, for obvious reasons.

[technogeek5000]

The number of rounds is set at the beginning and doesn't change later due to drops, for obvious reasons.

Correct... Were doing 7 rounds of swiss.

Anyways I have a little spare time today so ill update the opening post in this thread with the current round later today.

[Nihil Credo]

So, we're one round away from the playoffs. I think it would be a good time to discuss a couple of options for the Top 8:

1) Playing matches as best of 5 games rather than best of 3 games, like at high-level tournaments. Normally people like making games less dependant on luck and lopsided matchups... unless they're playing Ichorid or Belcher, that is ;)

2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.

[Cabal-kun]

2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.

Don't forget the networking aspect in this. If you have friends or team members, it could create an unfair advantage, as they can provide you with decklists that your opponent might not have access to.

[Wallace]

2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.

I think it's a good idea to post the list's, scouting an opponents deck is a part of the game. If you want to make it fair for everyone I think the top 8 lists need to be posted.

[Van Phanel]

1) Playing matches as best of 5 games rather than best of 3 games, like at high-level tournaments. Normally people like making games less dependant on luck and lopsided matchups... unless they're playing Ichorid or Belcher, that is ;)

I'd like that.



2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

I don't mind either way.

[Elfrago]

1) Playing matches as best of 5 games rather than best of 3 games, like at high-level tournaments. Normally people like making games less dependant on luck and lopsided matchups... unless they're playing Ichorid or Belcher, that is ;)


I don't like this. This way, playing a game, requires really too much time.



2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.

Don't mind.

[Whit3 Ghost]

I'm in support of both.

[technogeek5000]

I am going to be home late this evening so rounds are going to have to be delayed by 2 or 3 hours. I apologise for the inconvenience.

[klaus]

So, we're one round away from the playoffs. I think it would be a good time to discuss a couple of options for the Top 8:

1) Playing matches as best of 5 games rather than best of 3 games, like at high-level tournaments. Normally people like making games less dependant on luck and lopsided matchups... unless they're playing Ichorid or Belcher, that is ;)

2) Publishing lists before the Top 8. I think this is unnecessary, since this is done in real-life tournaments to blunt the impact of scouting during the Swiss rounds, while the ability to scout is very limited online. But I feel this should be discussed nonetheless.

Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.

1) It really seems like such a round could require an entire day in some cases.
I'll stick with the majority either way, though.

2) I don't [EDIT: "MIND"] our lists being published - I'm not really sure how to approach that matter though:
Shall the issue be decided by a simple majority vote or should we grant each top 8 player a veto?

Klaus

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I'd rather not have deck lists revealed until after.

As for number of rounds, I could go either way.

[Nihil Credo]

Just keeping track:

- Best of five:
YES: Nihil, Van Phanel, Whit3 Ghost
NO: Elfrago

- Publishing lists:
YES: Cabal-Kun, Wallace, Whit3 Ghost, Nihil (C-K convinced me)
NO: Sanguine Voyeur
Klaus's post isn't clear (did you mean "I don't mind" or "I don't want"?)


As for the decision process, I think it ultimately depends on Technogeek5k.

[PhanTom_lt]

Lists: Yes. They will still get published after the tourney, and there's an unfair advantage to people knowing what they are playing against.
Best of five: maybe only the finals? The best of 3 already takes an hour of precious time of everyone.

[Eldariel]

"Yes and yes" on both for me.

[Happy Gilmore]

Just as a follow up. Is it a common practice to use a voice chat software in conjunction with MWS? I just want to see if its something I can expect if I participate in the next source tournament.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

Just as a follow up. Is it a common practice to use a voice chat software in conjunction with MWS? I just want to see if its something I can expect if I participate in the next source tournament.
No, MWS has a built in chat box.

[klaus]

Just keeping track:

- Best of five:
YES: Nihil, Van Phanel, Whit3 Ghost
NO: Elfrago

- Publishing lists:
YES: Cabal-Kun, Wallace, Whit3 Ghost, Nihil (C-K convinced me)
NO: Sanguine Voyeur
Klaus's post isn't clear (did you mean "I don't mind" or "I don't want"?)


As for the decision process, I think it ultimately depends on Technogeek5k.

Best of 5:
Klaus: "Stick with majority"

Publishing lists:
Klaus: YES

[Cabal-kun]

Wait...wasn't thefreakaccident supposed to win this? I don't see him in the Top 8.

Congrats PhanTom_lt!!! Go Chimera!! ^.^

[klaus]

@technogeek & the rest:

techno, you announced that the top 8 lists won't be posted before the end of the tournament.
If I'm not mistaken we have a 6-1 vote in favor of publishing the lists - no offence but where's the logic behind your decision?

Thoughts/Answers?

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I sent him a bunch of hookers bearing frankincense and myrrh. My vote means more.

[klaus]

I see your point, and bow to your grandness!

[technogeek5000]

@technogeek & the rest:

techno, you announced that the top 8 lists won't be posted before the end of the tournament.
If I'm not mistaken we have a 6-1 vote in favor of publishing the lists - no offence but where's the logic behind your decision?

Thoughts/Answers?

I thought it would be better if they were published after because knowing what your opponent is playing could tip the match in ones favor.





Buuuuuuuttttt... I guess that goes both ways. Also, I didnt realize that 6 of you voted in favor of posting the lists. Yah, I guess it couldn't hurt to post the lists when the Top 8 starts.

[klaus]

Sry Voyeur :rolleyes:

[Nihil Credo]

He's worried that now we'll know to name Nourishing Shoal with a blind Therapy/Meddling Mage. But then again, that's what a good player does anyway.

[Whit3 Ghost]

He's worried that now we'll know to name Nourishing Shoal with a blind Therapy/Meddling Mage. But then again, that's what a good player does anyway.
No way man. Have you forgotten about Bloom and Wizard Control?