[Tarmogoyf] Prices, redux

[Maagler]

So I just realized that goyf will be getting out of type two at the end of the summer, this means a lot of t2 players will be auctioning them off.

I am trying to decided when the best time to go on ebay for them is. I am hoping that they will drop bellow 20, any cost predictions?

[Wallace]

They will settle in at $90-$100 a set, remember they will still be legal in Extended which is a driving factor in the price.

[Ch@os]

100 USD = 63.75 EUR these are ~15€ for one goyf.

Thats cheap, when did you say there are rotaiting out of T2?

[Aggro_zombies]

100 USD = 63.75 EUR these are ~15€ for one goyf.

Thats cheap, when did you say there are rotaiting out of T2?
When Shards of Alara comes out in late September.

At the Eventide prerelease I saw dealers valuing them in the low $40-upper $30 range each. I doubt the price will fall much further because most people will want to hold onto theirs, unless they're die-hard Type II players. This means that there won't be a significant increase in supply even after Alara hits. Also, I'm pretty sure Extended season starts right around that time, so you're probably looking at the best price you're going to get right now.

[Sek'Kuar]

Since I basically play Legacy and Kitchen Table as my formats, could someone indulge me and let me know when Goyf will rotate out of extended, and how long a set remains in extended? Thanks.

[Aggro_zombies]

Since I basically play Legacy and Kitchen Table as my formats, could someone indulge me and let me know when Goyf will rotate out of extended, and how long a set remains in extended? Thanks.
A couple years from now. Basically, the rotation policy for Extended was changed to match that of Type II - new block in, oldest block out. Right now, you're looking at Onslaught, Mirrodin, Kamigawa, and Ravnica needing to go before Time Spiral rotates. So, five years.

[raharu]

Fun fact: every time someone starts a 'Goyf price thread, the end price rises?

[Joe_C]

last november I sold a playset for $100. I cant se them sticking over $25 a pc, but who knows. they are just a good card, but for that much $, I wouldnt buy them again

[DeathwingZERO]

I can't see in the next 5 years a time that they will ever hit less than $100 a deckset. T2 doesn't even use them that much anymore, it's the other formats and the casual players that are still the driving force behind the price.

[Bardo]

I am trying to decided when the best time to go on ebay for them is. I am hoping that they will drop bellow 20, any cost predictions?

Tarmogoyf rotates out of Extended in 2013, so you know, I wouldn't wait that long. :)

As was said above, Goyf is not seeing all that much play in T2 right now, so I don't think that is keeping the price high. To bring prices down, you need an input in supply (people selling them) and less demand (people not buying them or wanting to buy them). I have no idea when that will happen, but I don't see them dropping much below $20 (each) anytime soon.

Edit - A worthwhile read (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/dl27).

[Fossil4182]

Its hard to tell where Tarmogoyf will end up. I think it'll end up around or a little bit higher than Morphling and settle at 20-25 dollars by the time its all said and done. At its highest, I think its been at $45 and has dropped over the past month by maybe 10%. I think you could see it drop as low as $30 after it rotates out, however I think it'll see more play in extended as they card base becomes easier to abuse and it could fit into potentially more decks.

If you're going to buy, the best time would be right around the set rotation. Ideally you would have about a 2-4 week window. Not to get too complicated, but there will prob be a sharp drop with the Type II players selling their Goyfs and everyone getting ramped up to start investing in the new set and the price will go down. However, my guess is that about a month or so after the set rotates, you'll see the price go up again as the price sort of self corrects.

If you're going to sell, I would sell right now because you can still fetch 35-40 per Goyf on eBay right now making it about as good as you're going to get. I don't see the price rising again anytime soon.

[m03]

Its hard to tell where Tarmogoyf will end up. I think it'll end up around or a little bit higher than Morphling and settle at 20-25 dollars by the time its all said and done.

Morphlings are like $8-$10. I would expect Tarmogoyf to always be significantly higher than Morphling.


If you're going to sell, I would sell right now because you can still fetch 35-40 per Goyf on eBay right now making it about as good as you're going to get.

Too late. $25-$30 has been the going rate for the past week or so.

[Bardo]

I think we can agree that if you want to unload your Goyfs, do it now. Prices will fall somewhat in the coming months, and those that paid out the ass for them will wait until they have fears about their "investment."

Anyway, I see no reason why demand will increase, so prices are going to slowly drop. Get out while you can, and save yourself, um, $20 or something.

<- Owns 4 Goyfs; not an investor.

[FoolofaTook]

Mutavault is becoming the most expensive type 2 card at this point. It's cracking the $40 barrier and will probably go to $50 before it rotates out.

I was really surprised to hear that but the dealer I talk to most often now has Goyfs and Mutavaults both at $40 and the one he is having trouble keeping in stock is the Mutavault.

[PowrDragn]

Honestly, I think now until the set rotation will be the cheapest that you wil see goyfs drop. And that $20-25 range seems to be where they will hit.

I personally own 12 of them and I will be looking to buy more once they rotate out of standard. Extended PTQ season pushes the price of lots of cards up in value. Last season all of the shock lands, Dark Confidant, sac lands, and Goyf all pushed way up in value. I'd expect the same again this year.

This happens with all cards that are quality in extended. Remember that was have FIVE years for extended players to play with Goyf. And trust me, they will. The reality is that players come and go from the game. But no more of each card get printed. There will be a steadily decreasing supply of needed cards as the years go by. That's just the way it is.

There also seems to be a resurgence in Legacy recently. If this trend continues to increase even slighty in the next 4-5 years, cards like Goyf will still be a hot commodity as it is, and likely will, be played in a lot of decks.

So yes, if you want goyfs, grab then in the 2-5 week window after they rotate after extended. After that, hold them and trade them for high dollar values :)

I'd expect them to get back around $30-35 and sit there for a while.

[Elficidium]

Mutavault is becoming the most expensive type 2 card at this point. It's cracking the $40 barrier and will probably go to $50 before it rotates out.

I was really surprised to hear that but the dealer I talk to most often now has Goyfs and Mutavaults both at $40 and the one he is having trouble keeping in stock is the Mutavault.

Not surprising really. You know with the whole supply and demand thing. At the moment every block constructed deck plays 3 or 4 Mutavaults. Every single one.
Block constructed is the current PTQ format. Pretty much the same for Standard, and here Nationals is coming up, which is also Standard. So I won't be overly surprised if I see Mutavaults at 50€ at Nationals.
(at GP Brussels they were selling Shriekmaws for 4 times their normal price. People needed them for the block PTQ, people bought them at that price)

[Omega]

No way im unloading my goyf haha. I am playing them in my decks. Even if price lowers, they will still be useful to me.


off topic, mutavault are just too high. I remember people using the argument : t2 is cheaper than Legacy. Right. 40$ cards that will certainly drop at rotation.

Robert

[Shawon]

Keep in mind that Tarmogoyf is a card from the future, so it's going to come back to Standard at some point. Yay, I guess.

[Anusien]

Keep in mind that Tarmogoyf is a card from the future, so it's going to come back to Standard at some point. Yay, I guess.
It might. It's a card from one of many probable Magic futures.

Goyfs are likely to stay stable at whatever their worth is in 1.x. It was really 1.x more than anything else driving the price, since they're an absolute necessity in that format.

[yawg07]

Well just the other day I saw people trying to dump Goyfs at $110 shipped for a set on MOTL ... and no one was buying them, but they were offering $100 shipped.

The bottom is falling out, and I for one couldn't be happier.

I seriously think the card will be $20 post-T2-rotation, sure the Extended players are nuts over them, but shit, I honestly believe that
they see more play in Legacy than any other format (excluding T2 at the moment)

[Nightmare]

$8 each for foil ones, when I got my set. I honestly don't give a shit where the price ends up - I'm guaranteed money if I sell them.

[Lego]

I honestly believe that
they see more play in Legacy than any other format (excluding T2 at the moment)

They definitely see more play in Legacy than T2, unless you're counting the sheer number of people that are playing them, in which case Extended probably wins. Extended might win anyway... I think a larger percentage of decks in Extended play them than Legacy.

[Pinder]

<- Owns 4 Goyfs; not an investor.

[Zach Tartell]

I paid 3 month's rent by selling my 26 Tarmogoyfs. I was pretty stoked about that.

[Anusien]

They definitely see more play in Legacy than T2, unless you're counting the sheer number of people that are playing them, in which case Extended probably wins. Extended might win anyway... I think a larger percentage of decks in Extended play them than Legacy.
Does Legacy actually influence the price of any card, except the week before a GP?

[rleader]

^ I think it's finally starting to make City of Traitors and Wasteland into elite rares, anyway. They were radically undervalued until the past year.

Bleiweiss says he sees goyf hitting $25 or so soon and he's in the position to work towards making it happen; only time will tell.

[DeathwingZERO]

^ I think it's finally starting to make City of Traitors and Wasteland into elite rares, anyway. They were radically undervalued until the past year.

Bleiweiss says he sees goyf hitting $25 or so soon and he's in the position to work towards making it happen; only time will tell.

Wastelands have always had dips and rises, based on how often they were used in general. They've been close to where they are now, on several occasions.

City of Traitors also had a randomly high value for a while, mostly just because Exodus stuff wasn't commonly seen after a while, but I would tend to agree that it's been a more prominent player in Legacy than anything else, which is why it holds any value now at all.

I wouldn't call either elites, but I'd say the price they are fetching now is reasonable. Couple the age and the fact they actually have a format they are useful in, and it's acceptable.

In comparison, I see absolutely no reason why Standard is as expensive as it is. Bitterblossom, Mutavault, etc.....ridiculous. I can remember even up to Ravnica block (excluding the duals) when you would see MAYBE one chase rare per set that hit $15-20. Seeing MULTIPLE cards per block hitting $20-50 though? Insane. There's no real comparison now, it's much more affordable to get into Legacy than it is to get into higher tier Standard and still be able to play more than one deck. A set or two of fetches, FoW, and maybe a single deckset of duals, and you are pretty much able to build multiple decks.

[slyfer]

After testing tarmagoyf on MWS I realized they were broken (first deck tested was of course threshold in place of the werebear).
It was about 1 year ago.
It was the period of italian nationals, and they told me the price was 10/13euro each in local sellers at that time. But we know that during big tournaments the price are high, so I think the ebay value was a little lower.
After the summer I realize that I absolutely *HAD* to buy a playset because it's easily played in almost every deck of every format LOOL.
I remember a Bardo's post in which he claimed he paid his set 5 bucks each, and told that it was only hype and they will stabilize.... You were right man! LOL.
So I went to ebay, buy now a playset of CHINESE goyf for 80 dollars, I paid using "big muscle euro" LOL. Now the value is 30 euro (normal) each in italy.
I think no one will sell their because it's a must have card, like force of will or fetches...

I also agree that T2 is really a crapload... mutavault, blossom, thoughtseize.... tons of dollars wasted.... They are saying it's recession in USA (and Europe) but is this valid for Magic players?? LOL
I don't understand why Ravnica duals are now 5 euro each for example... I think they will be staples for next extended year, and one deck used all of them (the aggro with tribal flames you know).

[Bryant Cook]

Does Legacy actually influence the price of any card, except the week before a GP?
Lion's Eye Diamond.

[m03]

Lion's Eye Diamond.

...and Phyrexian Dreadnought.

[Ghostfire45]

Tarmogoyf is just a fumdamentally good card- it will never go down. He is played in every format and it will remain that way forever, because Wizards will never make the mistake again.

I can see Goyf going down to 35 after standard rotation maybe 30 but thats it.

[Lothian]

ha ha ha

What a hype it was...

Apocalyptic people all around Legacy forums whinging about the Goyf specter, imploring for it to be banned...

How lame

Goyf is rotating out of T2, that will put it on the downwards trend. Legacy & Extended guys who wanted them already have them. Why buy more of that boring critter?? Demand will stay put but offer goes on the lash Goyf at 25$ in 4 months time.

It's still reasonable, but it reminds me of pithing needle or jitte

Please go and have a look at their prices on ebay..

At least we won't hear from the guy that much again

I still believe Legacy players are up for the beauty of it too. Winning with Goyf beating on the table is like winning with a 2 mana Craw Wurm. I've done it 2 or 3 times with my first 4th edition sets before moving quickly to combo/control kind of stuff, a better music for the mind really!

Mutavault will collapse after its rotation since Mishra is around

[Bigface]

Goyf is rotating out of T2, that will put it on the downwards trend. Legacy & Extended guys who wanted them already have them. Why buy more of that boring critter?? Demand will stay put but offer goes on the lash Goyf at 25$ in 4 months time.


Anyone who still doesn't have a set maybe?



It's still reasonable, but it reminds me of pithing needle or jitte

Please go and have a look at their prices on ebay..

At least we won't hear from the guy that much again

I still believe Legacy players are up for the beauty of it too. Winning with Goyf beating on the table is like winning with a 2 mana Craw Wurm. I've done it 2 or 3 times with my first 4th edition sets before moving quickly to combo/control kind of stuff, a better music for the mind really!

Mutavault will collapse after its rotation since Mishra is around

Goyf is played everywhere, from Ext to Vintage. I think it'll drop around 18 €, but I don't think he'll be cheaper than this. It BEATS. 2 mana for a 4/5 is just sick. That's right, he's just a critter, but damn.

And Mutavault will be played in Faeries, which actually is becoming more and more powerful in Ext and Vintage.

[Jaiminho]

Legacy & Extended guys who could buy them and wanted them already have them.

I needed to correct this. I still don't have my own goyfs... I borrow them.

[FoolofaTook]

ha ha ha

What a hype it was...


Goyf is in every deck that has creatures and green mana and virtually every aggro deck that could splash green to run it does that. Goyf is in virtually every non-mono-colored control deck that uses creatures and most of them splash green to run him. Goyf is even in combo decks (Aluren, Aggro Loam) that are trying very hard to do something else disgusting but cannot turn it down because it's such a great topdeck, even if it may interfere with the other things they are trying to do.

There are very, very few decks that splash blue for Brainstorm alone. There are very, very few decks that splash white just for Swords to Plowshares. There are no decks that splash red or black for just a single spell. Goyf is kind of unique in the effect he has on our metagame at the moment.

[DeathwingZERO]

I agree. There's a number of people in both communities that still don't have them. I know of a few friends myself that haven't picked them up yet, just because $160-200 on a deckset of not dual lands is ridiculous.

The $25 marker will probably be close to where I expect it to stay at. It'll probably dip down to $20 and maybe even the higher teens when the scare sets in that "everyone else is selling off, so I better too before they tank", but they'll recoup after that.

[HSCK]

I think they'll definitely fluctuate with the Extended season considering near every viable deck in Extended will want a playset, look for prices at 30 before the season and during spike them up to 35-37.50

[Maagler]

The $25 marker will probably be close to where I expect it to stay at. It'll probably dip down to $20 and maybe even the higher teens when the scare sets in that "everyone else is selling off, so I better too before they tank", but they'll recoup after that.

oooh.. don't tease me!

[Natthew]

There are very, very few decks that splash blue for Brainstorm alone.
Brainstorm is a support card that isn't really essential to most decks' gameplan. It isn't a threat or an answer, nor does it generate card advantage. It's great because it provides a trade of one mana for card quality and cantrips. Brainstorm is only really great if you can cast it reliably, and splashing for brainstorm doesn't allow for that. However, a blue splash in most decks for Force of Will often includes brainstorm for that very reason -- it helps find business spells and is pitchable.
Even still, some builds of TombStone splash blue for brainstorm.

There are very, very few decks that splash white just for Swords to Plowshares.
Not true at all. Rw Goblins, some builds of Survival, It's the Fear, to name a few, splash white for just StP.

There are no decks that splash red or black for just a single spell. Goyf is kind of unique in the effect he has on our metagame at the moment.
5-Color thresh plays red just for pyroclasm, Dreadstill splashes black for Bob, and I'm certain that some decks splash black just for thoughseize.
In addition, when decks splash green for Goyf, Krosan Grip almost always enters the sideboard.

Tarmogoyf, like Force of Will, Swords to Plowshares, Lightning Bolt, etc. is played because it outclasses everything else that does what it does. It's not synergistic, it's just a Good Card. Does it warp the format? Of course. It that a bad thing? I don't know. But it's no more broken than Swords to Plowshares.

[undone]

Goyf> Swords. Simply to quote the number 1 limited player in our state. THREATS BEAT ANSWERS.

Goyf is actualy more efficient then swords. 2 mana threats that die to 1 mana removal are fine, Since the removal cant win the game, threats can. Goyf is unique in that saying "NO" is ok, theres nothing wrong with it. There is something wrong with one thing. Goyf can END THE GAME ALL BY ITSELF. Goyf also needs less countermagic then any other 2 3 4 or 5 drop the whole of the game. Not that its broken, its just TOO efficient, I dont want it banned I just want a card thats something like "BB 2/1, WHen ~ CitP remove all graveyards from the game, shroud"

Tarmogoyf will (after the stablization) settle at 30, its really good.

[mogote]

I agree. There's a number of people in both communities that still don't have them. I know of a few friends myself that haven't picked them up yet, just because $160-200 on a deckset of not dual lands is ridiculous.

The $25 marker will probably be close to where I expect it to stay at. It'll probably dip down to $20 and maybe even the higher teens when the scare sets in that "everyone else is selling off, so I better too before they tank", but they'll recoup after that.
I just hope you're right and the price really comes down that much.
Right now I only have a foil playset which cost me a total of $72 at the time. Back then I hastily got rid of all my non-foil copies thinking that Tarmogoyf can only decrease in value but I was so wrong and the price more than doubled afterwards!
The foil Tarmogoyfs are great for my Threshold deck with all those other foil cards but the annoying thing is that they sort of stick out in most of my other decks which contain almost non-foils only.
So in conclusion I would really appreciate a lower price-level which would allow me to get a playset of non-foil versions of the card for a reasonable amount of money.

[Lothian]

I also agree that T2 is really a crapload... mutavault, blossom, thoughtseize.... tons of dollars wasted.... They are saying it's recession in USA (and Europe) but is this valid for Magic players?? LOL
I don't understand why Ravnica duals are now 5 euro each for example... I think they will be staples for next extended year, and one deck used all of them (the aggro with tribal flames you know).

Good analysis.

It all comes down to interest shown in different formats. Looking at most of Magic forums, that would assume that T2 & T3 account for 2/3 of all formats. T1 1.5 & 1.x for 1/3.

Therefore, when a newly released card is as played as Goyf, price obviously goes to the roof! But once its leaving T2, life gets more difficult...

It costs quite a bit to stay on top in standard, so guys have to sell when sets rotate to ease the cost. Dollars are not wasted if you rotate properly

As for Ravnica duals, they only interest 1.x players in a format with no fetch. small market out there...

Pithing needle was like Goyf before. 1 mana artefact, can be played in any deck, needed to be played at least in the board and the value went through the roof. Then it got edited again increasing availability, and the hype was gone. It's less than 10$ now.

Since WotC policy is to make green (critters) better and stronger, Goyf will get competition too. And imagine if they release a symmetric Tormods...

Last point: 25$ = 15 EUR. I paid 12 for 2 pints yesterday. A set of Goyf still costs far less than a night out in Dublin ;-) If the rate was going up for Dollar, you wouldn't see us Europeans go mad at anything moving on Ebay

[rleader]

Pithing needle was like Goyf before. 1 mana artefact, can be played in any deck, needed to be played at least in the board and the value went through the roof. Then it got edited again increasing availability, and the hype was gone. It's less than 10$ now.

Not on the planet where the rest of us live.

[TrialByFire]

Not on the planet where the rest of us live.

x2 Show me where I can get Needles for less than 10 dollars. Plus Needle is just an very efficient answer/Sb card. Goyf is a fucking strategy/win condition

[Lego]

Has anyone wondered about what drives up prices as much as they are now? I think a large part of it is due to StarCityGames. They set their price at the highest that they think people will actually pay for them, other sites follow suit, and prices are driven way up. I think the whole internet Magic card store trend has really been pretty bad for the health of the game, but I'm probably in the minority in thinking that.

[Omega]

Certainly, online stores have something to do with the prices. I know friends who sold alot to online shop because they were giving crazy. Guess what? They emptied the local shops and sold them online for profit. Now, local shop has no more or little of bitterblossom/mutavault left. And alot of people dont want to deal online... Availability is also an issue.

[m03]

Certainly, online stores have something to do with the prices. I know friends who sold alot to online shop because they were giving crazy. Guess what? They emptied the local shops and sold them online for profit. Now, local shop has no more or little of bitterblossom/mutavault left. And alot of people dont want to deal online... Availability is also an issue.

Which is the opposite of what I remember in the old days. The local shops would charge the highest listed price they could find (for instance, a bent Mox Pearl for the price of a NM one, or an played Italian The Abyss for the price of a mint English one), but if you were online and were aware of Usenet, you could get them for well below the price that the local shops were asking.

[dahcmai]

I totally agree with Lego. If you notice, a lot of newer players are using Starcity as a basis of pricing as compared to a few years ago when people used Scrye and Inquest as a guide. Someone wanted to do a trade with me for a MutaVault and a couple of other cards and he used Starcity as his basis for prices. I didn't mind since he used the same on what I was trading to him, but it goes to show.

I typically use Ebay as a guide since that's what I am going to use to ditch them when I don't want them anymore and they don't trade out of the folder, but that's me.

I think if Standard and Block caused the most effect on prices we'd have a hell of a time buying Scion of Oona's. Anyway, Grindstone is a good indicator if anything.

[mercenarybdu]

Extended is becoming more like T2 rotation wise so there is only going to be a gradual 5-10 USD drop.

If something better comes along to pwn that card then it would drop down to the level it was over a year ago after the discovery.

[Ghostfire45]

If something better comes along to pwn that card then it would drop down to the level it was over a year ago after the discovery.

O Christ i hope they never make that mistake again.

[Lothian]

I think they'll definitely fluctuate with the Extended season considering near every viable deck in Extended will want a playset, look for prices at 30 before the season and during spike them up to 35-37.50

Well, just for the laugh, I've put some tarmo deals on watch in ebay.

1 set finished at 130$

another at 96$ with 100% evaluation.

And the card is not rotated yet from standard.

Please forget about 200$ for a set.

100$ will be the new target

[Jak]

they go for like 25 each on ebay. Some people are still bidding high on them, but you can find sets for 90-95 bucks. Perfect time for me to pick up my set :smile:

[MattH]

I totally agree with Lego. If you notice, a lot of newer players are using Starcity as a basis of pricing as compared to a few years ago when people used Scrye and Inquest as a guide. Someone wanted to do a trade with me for a MutaVault and a couple of other cards and he used Starcity as his basis for prices. I didn't mind since he used the same on what I was trading to him, but it goes to show.

I typically use Ebay as a guide since that's what I am going to use to ditch them when I don't want them anymore and they don't trade out of the folder, but that's me.

I think if Standard and Block caused the most effect on prices we'd have a hell of a time buying Scion of Oona's. Anyway, Grindstone is a good indicator if anything.

Good. Scrye prices are an embarrassment. Last I checked (6 mo. ago) Jitte was like $5, Sea Drake was $1, and Goyf was $15.00. Unusable.

ebay constantly fluctuates, which means they have the most accurate prices but also makes them a pain to look up.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

http://www.magictraders.com/pricelists/

Pretty accurate, except for the lesser-traded stuff, where there's less info to base it on.


Tarmogoyf's been averaging about 28 in the past week, apparently.

[Solaran_X]

http://www.magictraders.com/pricelists/

Pretty accurate, except for the lesser-traded stuff, where there's less info to base it on.


Tarmogoyf's been averaging about 28 in the past week, apparently.
Magic Traders is what I use for prices. If only they had a Windows Mobile-compatible website. I tend to use Magic Traders on the fly from my phone at prereleases and such. It's a hassle to use the webpage on a small phone screen - thankfully I got a nice Motorla Q9C, so it doesn't totally suck.